[ CLOSED SESSION: CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL--EXISTING LITIGATION Pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (d) of Government Code Section 54956.9 Name of case: Frances Marquez v. City of Cypress (U.S.D.C., Southern Div. Case No. 8:24-CV-01835-ODW (JDEx) ]

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I DO THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL AND ALL THOSE PRESENT. THE CITY COUNCIL MET IN CLOSED SESSION ON THE SINGLE ITEM LISTED ON THE CLOSED SESSION PORTION OF THE AGENDA, NAMELY CONFERENCE WITH LEGAL COUNSEL, ONE ITEM OF EXISTING LITIGATION, THE MATTER OF FRANCIS MARQUEZ VERSUS CITY OF CYPRUS AND RELATED ADDITIONAL DEFENDANTS. THE CITY COUNCIL RECEIVED AN UPDATE PROVIDED DIRECTION. NO FURTHER REPORTABLE ACTION WAS TAKEN.

[ PRESENTATIONS Recognition of Cypress University Small Business Graduates Orange County Mosquito and Vector Control District Presentation]

THAT CONCLUDES THE REPORT. MAYOR. THANK YOU. WE HAVE TWO PRESENTATIONS THIS EVENING.

FIRST UP IS RECOGNITION OF THE CYPRUS UNIVERSITY SMALL BUSINESS GRADUATES. AND I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHRIS WONG, OUR BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT MANAGER FOR THE PRESENTATION.

HI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. TONIGHT I HAVE THE PLEASURE OF PRESENTING THE GRADUATES OF CYPRUS UNIVERSITY'S NEXT UP BUSINESS GROWTH PROGRAM TONIGHT.

OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS, THE CITY COUNCIL HAS LAUNCHED SEVERAL NEW INITIATIVES TO SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, AND CYPRUS UNIVERSITY IS JUST ONE OF THEM. IT'S PART OF THE CITY'S ONGOING COMMITMENT TO HELP OUR BUSINESSES GROW AND SUCCEED. CYPRUS UNIVERSITY INCLUDES TWO PROGRAMS THE LEVEL UP DIGITAL MARKETING PROGRAM, WHICH CONCLUDED LAST YEAR, AND THE NEXT BUSINESS GROWTH PROGRAM, WHICH FINISHED EARLIER THIS YEAR. THE NEXT PROGRAM WAS OFFERED IN CONJUNCTION AND PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ORANGE COUNTY INLAND EMPIRE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER. OVER SIX WEEKS, PARTICIPATING BUSINESSES LEARN STRATEGIES TO GROW THEIR OPERATIONS, IMPROVE MARKETING, AND PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. AND WHEN THEY FINISHED THE TRAINING, EACH BUSINESS RECEIVED A $10,000 GRANT TO HELP PUT THOSE PLANS INTO ACTION. IN TOTAL, 30 BUSINESSES IN CYPRUS COMPLETED THIS PROGRAM. WHILE NOT ALL COULD BE HERE TONIGHT, WE THANK ALL OF THEM. THESE BUSINESSES MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN OUR LOCAL ECONOMY, AND WE HOPE EVERYONE IN THE COMMUNITY CONTINUES TO SUPPORT THEM BY SHOPPING LOCAL AND USING THEIR SERVICES. SO BEFORE WE START, I'D LIKE TO THANK SUPERVISOR JANET NGUYEN'S OFFICE, WHO GENEROUSLY PREPARED CERTIFICATES FOR ALL OUR GRADUATES TONIGHT, WHICH I'LL PASS OUT LATER. SO NOW I'D LIKE TO INVITE THE CITY COUNCIL TO THE FRONT OF THE DAIS, AND THEN I'M GOING TO CALL UP THE BUSINESSES. AS I CALL UP YOUR NAME, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND THEN STAY AT THE FRONT HERE SO WE CAN TAKE A GROUP PHOTO. FIRST IS ADVANCED GLOBAL TRADING. YES. OH THAT'S TRUE. ANDERSON PRINT COMPANY. CORPORATION. CYPRUS KINDERLAND PRESCHOOL. HELLO, BEAUTIFUL. LASH BAR AND SPA. HOT NAILS, MOVE WELL. PHYSICAL THERAPY.

SENIOR HELPERS, 20 CENTRAL SHOP, US CAPITAL CORPORATION, US METRO GROUP AND DID I MISS ANY BUSINESSES THAT ARE IN THE AUDIENCE? OH. AND LUCKY CHOPSTICKS. I KNOW, I KNOW. ALL RIGHT. CAN WE GIVE THE BUSINESSES A ROUND OF APPLAUSE? YEAH, EVERYONE. YEAH, IF WE PUT A FEW MORE ON THAT SIDE SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE MORE CENTERED.

THAT'D BE GOOD. THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. ONE, TWO THREE. YOU WANT ONE MORE? OH, YEAH. WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE FOR? SORRY. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. YEAH. I'M GOING TO SEND IT TO EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU. YEAH. OH. WAIT, WAIT.

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NEXT UP THIS EVENING WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM DISTRICT MANAGER LAURA YOUNG FROM THE ORANGE COUNTY MOSQUITO AND VECTOR CONTROL DISTRICT. WELCOME, MISS YOUNG. THANK YOU.

AND THANK YOU FOR THE TIME. SO ANNUALLY EVERY YEAR, THE ORANGE COUNTY MOSQUITO AND VECTOR CONTROL DISTRICTS REACHES OUT TO OUR TRUSTEES, WHICH IS MAYOR PRO TEM MEDRANO AND THE CITY STAFF TO ASSIST US IN BRINGING AWARENESS TO RESIDENTS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT MOSQUITOES AND THE CHALLENGES THEY FACE. WHEN WE HAVE MOSQUITOES IN OUR COMMUNITY, SUCH AS DISEASE AND NUISANCE. AND EVERY YEAR WE RECOGNIZE CITIES THAT GO ABOVE AND BEYOND. SO I'M PROUD AS HAVING CYPRESS AS MY HOMETOWN TO RECOGNIZE YOU FOR THE SECOND ANNUAL YEAR, FOR GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND AND REALLY TAKING OUR CAMPAIGN TOGETHER. WE FIGHT. AND SO I'M HERE TO PRESENT FOR YOU THE MOST SUPPORTIVE MEDIUM CITY IN THE COUNTY. SO WE HAVE ONE CITY WITHIN EACH CATEGORY BASED ON POPULATION. SO FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW YOU HAVE HELD THIS TITLE AND I AM HOPING I COME BACK FOR YEAR THREE NEXT YEAR. SO YOU GUYS HAVE BIG SHOES TO FILL. BUT I AM CONFIDENT. SO I DO WANT TO THANK ALSO THE CITY STAFF BECAUSE THEY DO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND TO HELP US MAKE SURE CYPRESS RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF WHAT THEY CAN DO TO PROTECT THEMSELVES FROM MOSQUITOES. SO THANK YOU. AND I HAVE SOME PLAQUES HERE FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WE'LL JOIN YOU IN THE WELL FOR A PHOTO. OKAY.

THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ORAL COMMUNICATIONS ON

[ ORAL COMMUNICATIONS ON AGENDA ITEMS (Three minutes per speaker. The City Council may adjust the time allotted per speaker.) The public may address the City Council on agenda items prior to any action taken. Although Council Members may provide brief responses, the City Council may not engage in a discussion with members of the public during the meeting. Please complete a Speaker's Card to address the City Council in-person. Please follow the instructions at the end of the agenda and wait for the Mayor/City Clerk to call on you to address the City Council virtually. Speakers providing in-person comments will be called first. Members of the public are encouraged to communicate with the City Council via email at citycouncil@cypressca.org or by calling 714-229-6699.]

AGENDA ITEMS. BEFORE WE DO THAT, I DID WANT TO ECHO WHAT PASTOR MCKAY SAID. TOMORROW EVENING, STATE OF THE CITY WILL BE HELD INSIDE OF THE COMMUNITY CENTER RATHER THAN OUTSIDE ON THE CIVIC GREEN DUE TO A FORECAST OF SUBSTANTIAL RAIN. SO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, SAME GREAT EVENT FOR ORAL COMMUNICATIONS. THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS PRIOR TO ANY ACTION TAKEN, ALTHOUGH COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY PROVIDE BRIEF RESPONSES, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DURING THE MEETING.

PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD THERE IN THE BACK TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IN PERSON OR AT THE END OF THE AGENDA, AND WAIT FOR THE MAYOR OR CITY CLERK TO CALL ON YOU TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL VIRTUALLY IN PERSON. SPEAKERS WILL BE CALLED ON FIRST. I HAVE I DON'T HAVE ANY CARDS FOR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS ON AGENDA ITEMS. DO WE HAVE ANY HANDS RAISED ONLINE? I DO HAVE ONE HAND, TWO HANDS RAISED ONLINE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. WHO DO WE HAVE? FIRST, WE HAVE PAUL COKINOS. ALL RIGHT. MR. COKINOS, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES. I CAN HEAR YOU. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES WE CAN. OKAY. I WANTED TO SPEAK TONIGHT ABOUT. SORRY. PLEASE COME. ABOUT AGENDA ITEM 11 AND SAY THAT I SUPPORT YOU. GOOD MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL TO VOTE FOR OPTION TWO. I THINK THAT'S THE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE WAY TO GO. AND I ASK YOU TO GO IN THAT

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DIRECTION AND PUT EVERYTHING ELSE ASIDE AND CHOOSE A CANDIDATE THAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF CYPRUS, AS OPPOSED TO SOME BLATANT ACT OF CRONYISM AS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. AND WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID WE HAVE ANOTHER SPEAKER WITH THEIR HAND RAISED. YES, WE HAVE NEXT, EDWIN KRAMER. MR. KRAMER, IF YOU CAN HEAR ME, YOU HAVE YOUR THREE MINUTES. HELLO, COUNCIL, THIS IS ED KRAMER. I LIVE IN CYPRUS. I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON AGENDA ITEMS. I THINK IT'S THREE AND 11. I NOTICED THE CYPRUS ARNOLD PARK IS STILL GETTING $1.5 MILLION. BY FAR THE LARGEST ALLOTMENT. SO I QUESTION WHY WE'RE STILL POURING THAT MUCH MONEY DISPROPORTIONATELY INTO THAT PARK. AND ON 11. I ALSO, I THINK OPTION TWO WOULD BE FINE. IT'D SAVE A LOT OF MONEY, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE WE IN THE PAST HAVE NOT DONE WELL IN, IN PICKING UP. I THINK I THINK THAT THE, THE WAY THAT WE PICKED THE REPLACEMENTS LED TO. PEOPLE ON EITHER SIDE OF QUESTIONING THE APPOINTMENT. SO I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN BRING CITIZENS OPINIONS INTO THAT. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT, BUT I THINK WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW WE WOULD USE OPTION NUMBER TWO, BUT IT WOULD SAVE MONEY. BUT MY FEELING ON IT, SINCE THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SEE, IS CITIZENS INPUT INTO IT IS I THINK IT SHOULD IT SHOULD NOT BE SOLELY THE PEOPLE THAT WE BRING IN FOR THE THE COUNCIL MEMBER AND THE CITY MANAGER, I THINK SHOULD NOT FOCUS SOLELY ON FINANCES AND GROWTH OR DEVELOPMENT AND SHOULD BE INSTEAD FOCUSED ON PRESERVING PS ONE. WE'VE BEEN HORRIBLE ABOUT THAT. WE JUST, YOU KNOW, WASTED LARK AND WE WASTED OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE SHOULD HAVE VISION. I WANT TO SEE MORE VISION IN THE LEADERSHIP ON WHERE CYPRUS IS GOING. NOT NOT JUST THAT THAT PLAN THAT WE HAVE, BUT A VISION FOR WHAT DO WE WANT TO LOOK LIKE IN 20 YEARS? AND THEN THREE EFFECTIVE USE OF RESOURCES AND PROVISION.

IT SHOULD LOOK TO FUTURE TO HOUSING AND TO QUALITY OF LIFE. A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES I HAVE OF.

EXAMPLES I THINK ARE ISSUES IS I DON'T WANT TO SEE MY PARKS MAKING MONEY. I DON'T CARE IF THEY MAKE MONEY. I WANT THEM TO BE COST CENTERS, NOT PROFIT CENTERS. I DON'T EVER WANT TO SELL ANY PS ONE EVER AGAIN, AND I THINK THE CITY SHOULD HAVE A PLAN FOR HOW TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT. WE HAVE THIS ANNUAL. FIELD USE AGREEMENT, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WRITE 50 YEAR LEASES AND AND BUY THEM FIELDS. I MEAN, THAT SHIP HAS SAILED, BUT WE COULD THAT'S WHAT WE COULD HAVE DONE. SO I JUST WANT TO SEE BETTER WORKING RELATIONSHIP. THERE'S NO REASON WE CAN'T SUPPORT OUR SCHOOLS. IT'S TOO LATE NOW. THANK YOU.

PLEASE FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. OKAY. THANKS FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. AND GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SELECTION. ALL RIGHT, MADAM CITY CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER HANDS RAISED? NO, MR.

[ CONSENT CALENDAR All matters listed on the Consent Calendar are to be approved with one motion unless a Council Member requests separate action on a specific item. Council Members voting no or abstaining on a Consent Calendar item may do so without removing the item from the Consent Calendar.]

MAYOR, THANK YOU. THAT MOVES US TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. ALL MATTERS LISTED ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ARE TO BE APPROVED WITH ONE MOTION. UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS SEPARATE ACTION ON A SPECIFIC ITEM. COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTING NO OR ABSTAINING ON A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM MAY DO SO WITHOUT REMOVING THE ITEM FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR. DO ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE ITEMS THEY'D LIKE TO PULL OR COMMENTS THEY'D LIKE TO MAKE? COUNCIL MEMBER PETE I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEMS FOUR AND FOUR AND EIGHT, PLEASE. OKAY, SO MAKE A NOTE OF THAT.

ITEMS FOUR AND EIGHT ARE PULLED. I JUST HAVE A COMMENT ON ITEM NUMBER THREE. THE APPOINTMENT OF INTERIM CITY CLERK. YOU MAY NOTICE WE HAVE AN INTERIM CITY CLERK, LISA BERGLUND, SERVING WITH US THIS EVENING. I THINK WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE FOUND SOMEONE WHO HAS EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE. I BELIEVE HER CV IS MAYBE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA, BUT SHE SERVED AS A CITY CLERK IN LAKE FOREST AND WORKED IN MANY DIFFERENT CAPACITIES AS WELL. SO WELCOME AND THANK YOU

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FOR BEING HERE. OKAY, WITH THAT SAID, I WILL THEN MOVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR SO I WILL MOVE ITEMS ONE THROUGH TEN EXCEPT FOR FOUR AND EIGHT. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

ALL RIGHT. LOCK IN YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. NEXT UP

[11. Filling Vacancy Created by Council Member's Resignation of At-Large Position Prepared by: Sean Joyce, Interim City Manager Recommendation: Select approach among the two options for filling the vacancy on the City Council. If option two is selected, the City Council is asked to: a) approve the proposed schedule; b) determine written material to be required of residents expressing interest in filling the vacancy, c) determine the structure of the public "interview" or presentation that will be used to screen the respective candidates; and d) direct staff to make immediate arrangements to widely publicize the opportunity to residents.]

NEW BUSINESS ITEM NUMBER 11. FILLING VACANCY CREATED BY COUNCIL MEMBERS. RESIGNATION OF AT LARGE POSITION. AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON THIS ITEM. THANK YOU. AT YOUR LAST MEETING THEN COUNCIL MEMBER SCOTT RESIGNED EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST. MR. MINIKUS WAS HAD BEEN ELECTED TO HIS AT LARGE SEAT IN NOVEMBER 2022. YOU ARE NOW IN A POSITION TO DECIDE HOW THAT VACANCY CREATED BY MR. MINIKUS RESIGNATION IS FILLED. STATE LAW AND CITY CHARTER REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL TO EITHER FILL THE VACANCY OR CALL FOR A SPECIAL ELECTION WITHIN 60 DAYS FROM THE DATE OF THE VACANCY, AND THAT NUMBER THAT DATE IS NOVEMBER 30TH. CHARTER 400 AND 401. ESTABLISH ELIGIBILITY FOR APPOINTMENT OR ELECTION. NO PERSON ELIGIBLE WHO PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE COUNCIL FOR EIGHT YEARS MAY BE APPOINTED, NOR A PERSON. PARDON ME. A PERSON MUST ALSO BE LEGALLY REGISTERED VOTER AND A RESIDENT OF CYPRUS. THEY MAY LIVE ANYWHERE IN THE CITY BECAUSE MR. MINIKUS SEAT WAS FILLED AS AN AT LARGE SEAT. THE COUNCIL MEMBER SELECTED OR ELECTED WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR ELECTION IN NOVEMBER 2026 AND 2030 IF THEY RESIDE IN EITHER DISTRICTS ONE, 2 OR 3. YOU HAVE TWO OPTIONS BASICALLY PRESENTED FOR YOU. ONE IS TO FILL THE VACANCY BY WAY OF A SPECIAL ELECTION THAT MUST OCCUR NO LESS THAN 114 DAYS FROM THE CALL OF A SPECIAL ELECTION. IF A SPECIAL ELECTION IS CALLED, IT WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 14TH, 2026. IF IT IS DECIDED TO WAIT UNTIL THAT DATE, THE ELECTION ELECTION OF THE SEAT WOULD BE VACANT FOR FOUR MONTHS BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, DURING WHICH TIME TIE VOTES COULD LEAVE IMPORTANT POLICY MATTERS UNRESOLVED. POTENTIALLY, THE REGISTRAR OF VOTERS ESTIMATES THE COST OF THAT SPECIAL ELECTION TO RANGE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 800 AND $66,000 AND $950,000. THAT'S FOR OPTION ONE. OPTION TWO IS TO APPOINT AN ELIGIBLE RESIDENT. CITY COUNCIL HAS WIDE DISCRETION REGARDING THE PROCESS FOR THAT APPOINTMENT. IN 2021, THE COUNCIL INVITED INTERESTED RESIDENTS TO APPLY, FOLLOWED BY CITY COUNCIL SCREENING OF THOSE APPLICATIONS OR APPLICATIONS. THEN A SELECTION FROM AMONG THOSE CANDIDATES THAT WOULD BE INTERVIEWED, FOLLOWED BY THE INTERVIEWS AND ULTIMATELY, OF COURSE, AN APPOINTMENT. THAT APPOINTMENT MUST BE MADE BY NOVEMBER 30TH, WHICH I'LL NOTE, AS YOU'LL SEE LATER, IS A SUNDAY. SO I'LL PRESENT TO YOU A SCHEDULE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND HOPEFULLY ADOPTION, SO THAT WE CAN MOVE ALONG THAT SCHEDULE. FOLLOWING A ROBUST PUBLICITY CAMPAIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY ELIGIBLE INTERESTED IN THAT OPPORTUNITY IS AWARE OF IT. PER THE 2025 CITY COUNCIL APPROVED SCHEDULE MEETINGS, THE NOVEMBER

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24TH MEETING IS DARK. AGAIN, I TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN I PRESENT TO YOU A SCHEDULE FOR THAT. THERE'S NO MATERIAL COST. SURELY PAPER AND PAPER CLIPS AND THE LIKE, BUT THERE'S NO MATERIAL COST FOR THAT METHOD FOR FILLING THE VACANCY. IF OPTION ONE IS SELECTED, THE CITY CLERK WOULD COORDINATE WITH THE REGISTRAR OF VOTERS TO CONDUCT A SPECIAL ELECTION, AND THAT DATE WOULD. NOW IT WOULD BE APRIL 14TH. I'LL CLARIFY THAT DATE WOULD BE APRIL 14TH.

IF OPTION TWO IS SELECTED, THE CITY COUNCIL CAN NOW CONSIDER THE PROCESS FOR APPOINTMENT. IF YOU. IF YOU CHOOSE OPTION TWO, THE CITY CLERK WOULD COORDINATE THE PROMOTION OF THE OPPORTUNITY. AS I MENTIONED, CITY COUNCIL WOULD THEN RECEIVE THE APPLICATIONS, SCREEN THEM, SELECT THOSE DEEMED MOST SUITABLE FOR OR BEST QUALIFIED FOR CONSIDERATION. PUBLIC INTERVIEWS IN A FORMAT TO BE DETERMINED WOULD OCCUR, AND AN APPOINTMENT WOULD BE MADE. I'M PROJECTING THAT THAT WOULD OCCUR NOVEMBER 20TH. THE CITY COUNCIL CAN NOW CONSIDER THAT SCHEDULE AS I THAT I REFERENCED IN A MOMENT, THE WHAT WAS USED PREVIOUSLY IN JULY OF 2021 WAS WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU RESUMES WERE REQUESTED INFORMATION CERTIFICATION THAT FOLKS ARE ELIGIBLE UNDER THE CITY CHARTER FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE COUNCIL. IF YOU DID WHAT YOU DID LAST TIME, WE WOULD ASK APPLICANTS TO PRESENT A WRITTEN DESCRIPTION OF THEIR RESPECTIVE QUALIFICATIONS, THEIR EXPERIENCE, EDUCATION AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, ALSO ASKING THAT THEY MAKE A STATEMENT OF THEIR INTEREST IN SERVING ON THE CITY COUNCIL AND GIVE SHARE WITH YOU THEIR VISION FOR AN IDEAL, AN EVEN MORE IDEAL CYPRUS. SO THERE'S AGAIN A LOT OF FORMATS YOU COULD TAKE. LAST TIME YOU APPROVED THE PREPARATION OF QUESTIONS, THOSE QUESTIONS WERE PRESENTED TO THE CANDIDATES AT THE TIME OF THEIR APPLICATION OR AT WHEN AFTER YOU DEEM THEM TO TO TO RECEIVE AN INTERVIEW. THEY CAN THEY CAN THINK, THINK OVER AND AND DEVELOP A STRATEGY FOR HOW THEY WOULD ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AT A PUBLIC SETTING.

YOU COULD ALSO, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS, YOU CAN HAVE A FORMAT THAT WOULD INVITE EACH TO SPEAK FOR SOME SET PERIOD OF TIME, 15 20 MINUTES, DURING WHICH TIME YOU WOULD HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THEIR PACKETS FOR A WEEK, WEEK AND A HALF. BY THEN, ASK THEM TO SUMMARIZE THEIR INTEREST AND QUALIFICATIONS AND THEIR VISION FOR THE CITY, FITTING WITHIN A TIME LIMIT THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR EQUITY FOR ALL. IT WOULD ALLOW THEM SUFFICIENT TIME TO DEVELOP THEIR PRESENTATION TO FIT WITHIN THAT SPECIFIED TIME FRAME. YOU COULD ALSO FOREGO INTERVIEWS AND SIMPLY WORK OFF THE SUBMITTED MATERIALS. THAT'S NOT A RECOMMENDATION. IT'S JUST AN ATTEMPT TO BE AS INCLUSIVE OF WHAT OPTIONS ARE AVAILABLE TO YOU. OR ANOTHER METHOD THAT I WASN'T SMART ENOUGH TO THINK ABOUT. THIS IS THE SCHEDULE TO WHICH I REFERRED EARLIER. IT ENSURES IF IF MET, WOULD ENSURE THAT YOU ARE IN FACT IN A POSITION TO MAKE THE APPOINTMENT BY THE REQUIRED DATE. SO WE ARE PREPARED. LISA AND I HAVE WORKED WITH. WITH ONE ANOTHER AND WITH COMMS LAB, OUR CONSULTANT. WE'VE GOT, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU DECIDE TONIGHT, WE WILL BE ABLE TO QUICKLY IN THE MORNING HAVE FAQS, PRESS RELEASE AND A WHOLE CAMPAIGN THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE DO, TYPICALLY TO GET THE WORD OUT AND PREPARE PACKETS FOR TO TO BE TO BE PREPARED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO RESPOND TO, EXPRESSED INTEREST IN YOUR CONSIDERATION FOR THEIR APPOINTMENT. THIS WOULD PUT YOU IN A POSITION TO REVIEW THEIR MATERIAL FOR FIVE BUSINESS DAYS. AT A PUBLIC MEETING ON NOVEMBER 13TH. THAT'S A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. YOU WOULD AMONG YOURSELVES BY A MEANS THAT YOU WOULD DETERMINE THIS EVENING, PRESUMABLY DETERMINE TO EACH OF YOU GET UP TO 2 OR 3 NOMINEES.

NOMINATIONS FOR WHO? AMONG THOSE WHO APPLY, RECEIVE PUBLIC INTERVIEWS. THAT'S I THINK THAT

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WAS HOW IT WAS DONE IN 2021. BUT THAT WOULD BE I, AN ITEM THAT YOU WOULD TAKE UP AT THE NOVEMBER 13TH MEETING. AND THEN ON NOVEMBER 20TH, IN THIS SETTING, WE WOULD CONDUCT THE INTERVIEWS AND OR PRESENTATIONS BY THE CANDIDATES CHOSEN FOR FURTHER CONSIDERATION AT THAT SPECIAL MEETING. SO. I WOULD ASK THAT YOU THINK ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD HOW YOU BELIEVE THE PROCEDURE PROCESS WOULD BEST SUIT YOUR COLLECTIVE INTERESTS. SO HOW WOULD YOU WANT TO FILL THE VACANCY? YOU KNOW, OPTIONS 1 OR 2 DETERMINE WHICH APPLICATION MATERIAL WOULD BE REQUIRED OF THE CANDIDATES. SO JUST SUMMARIZE THAT. YOU WOULD SEE THAT BY REFERENCE IN SLIDE EIGHT. IF YOU DECIDE TO FILL THE VACANCY BY APPOINTMENT, WHAT WOULD BE THE METHOD FOR SCREENING THE CANDIDATES, INTERVIEWING THEM IF YOU WILL? I WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THE SCHEDULE AS IT'S PRESENTED OR AS YOU WOULD DEEM MORE APPROPRIATE. AND THEN, OF COURSE, DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH PUBLICIZING THE OPPORTUNITY ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA, CITY'S WEBSITES, WEBSITE AND ALL OTHER MEANS REQUIRED BY LAW AND OTHERWISE EFFECTIVE IN GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT. THAT WOULD BE OUR PRIMARY GOAL IN THE DAYS THAT FOLLOW. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO WE HAVE SOME POLICY DECISIONS TO WALK THROUGH. BUT FIRST, DO ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS OR ANY FOLLOW UP INFORMATION THEY'D LIKE TO HEAR? OKAY, THEN I THINK WE'LL JUST JUMP INTO THE POLICY DECISIONS THAT WERE THERE ON SLIDE 11. SO THE FIRST DECISION IS SELECTING THE PREFERRED OPTION FOR FILLING THE VACANCY BETWEEN THE OPTIONS OF SPECIAL ELECTION OR APPOINTMENT. JOINING MY COLLEAGUES HAVE STRONG OPINIONS OR WOULD LIKE TO EXPRESS THEIR PERSPECTIVE. COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG THANK YOU I DON'T I DON'T MIND SPENDING A FEW MINUTES TALKING ABOUT THIS DECISION. YOU KNOW OUR TWO OPTIONS. MY INITIAL PREFERENCE WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR AN OPEN AND FAIR ELECTION TO ENSURE THAT EVERYONE'S VOICE IS BEING HEARD, BUT THERE ARE REALLY TWO BIG OBSTACLES. OBSTACLES TO THAT RIGHT TIME AND MONEY. IF WE DO DECIDE TO HAVE AN ELECTION, THAT ELECTION WOULDN'T TAKE PLACE UNTIL APRIL, SO THE EARLIEST WE WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY IS LATE SPRING, AND THAT PERSON WOULD EITHER BE ON THE COUNCIL FOR JUST A FEW MONTHS, OR WOULD HAVE TO GEAR UP FOR ELECTION, WHICH, YOU KNOW, STARTS IN JULY WHEN THEY HAVE TO TURN IN THEIR PAPERWORK. SO. SO REALLY REALISTICALLY, THEY'D ONLY BE ABLE TO FULFILL THEIR FUNCTION FOR, YOU KNOW, A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME AS FAR AS COSTS. WE'RE LOOKING ABOUT LOOKING AT $1 MILLION TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE ANOTHER ELECTION FOR THAT SEAT RIGHT AFTER THAT.

SO THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL, I THINK, $170,000. SO EITHER WAY, WE WOULD HAVE TO SPEND THAT $170,000 AND THEN AN ADDITIONAL MILLION DOLLARS ON TOP OF THAT. AND SO THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE TWO BIGGEST THINGS THAT ARE KEEPING ME FROM ADVOCATING FOR A OPEN ELECTION. AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY BEING SPENT AND THAT'S A LOT OF EFFORT THAT THE CITY HAS TO GO THROUGH JUST TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD FOR JUST A FEW MONTHS. SO I'M LEANING TOWARD OPTION TWO, HAVING THE COUNCIL SELECT SOMEONE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COLLEAGUES WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN? MAYOR PRO TEM MEDRANO. THANK YOU. I'M LOOKING AT BOTH THESE OPTIONS AND I DON'T LIKE THEM. I DON'T LIKE OPTION TWO BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ELECT WHO REPRESENTS THEM. SO I DON'T LIKE OPTION TWO, BUT I DON'T LIKE OPTION ONE EITHER.

AND I REALLY DISLIKE IT FAR. IT'S A FAR LESS VIABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR MOVING FORWARD.

WHEN YOU DO THE MATH AND YOU LOOK AT IT TEN ONE, THE SEAT BECAME VACANT. EVEN IF WE HAVE AN ELECTION ON APRIL 14TH, IT'S A CLOSE ELECTION. IT MAY TAKE SOME TIME. CORRECT. IN ORDER TO GET THE RESULTS BACK, IN ORDER FOR THE ELECTION TO GET CERTIFIED. AND THEN ON TOP OF THAT, WE'VE SPENT ROUGHLY $1 MILLION, AND WHOEVER IS LUCKY ENOUGH TO WIN THAT ELECTION HAS TO TURN AROUND AND RUN ANOTHER ELECTION IF THEY WISH TO DO IT AGAIN. LITERALLY ALMOST TWO

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MONTHS LATER, ONE MONTH LATER, THEY NEED TO FILE THE SAME PAPERWORK. SO HAVING TO DO THAT BACK TO BACK IS IS A IS A GREAT DEMAND TO ASK OF OF VARIOUS BOTH. WHOEVER IS HAS THAT HOLDS THAT SEAT. ALSO ALL THE PEOPLE INVOLVED HAVING TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT ELECTION. AND SO IT'S SEVEN MONTHS EVEN PLUS A LITTLE BIT LONGER. AND WE CAN'T GO THAT LONG OR SHOULDN'T GO THAT LONG WITHOUT HAVING THE SEAT FILLED, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY SITTING AT FOUR, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY OF MAYBE TWO, TWO. WE FIND OURSELVES NOT BEING ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD. SO EVEN THOUGH I, I, I WOULD LIKE AN ELECTION, I THINK IT WOULD NOT BE A WISE USE OF FUNDS. AND SO THE LESS HOW DO YOU SAY THIS DIPLOMATICALLY, THE LESS UGLY OPTION I WOULD ARGUE, IS OPTION TWO. AND SO I'M LEANING TOWARDS THAT. THANK YOU. THINK I LARGELY AGREE WITH THE COMMENTS I HEARD FROM RESIDENTS AND MY COLLEAGUES. I THINK I HAD THE SAME REACTION A LOT OF RESIDENTS DID WHEN WHEN THEY FIRST HEARD ABOUT THE VACANCY, THEY SAID WE SHOULD HAVE AN ELECTION WHEN THEY HEARD IT WOULD COST $900,000 AND THE PERSON WOULD BE THERE FOR SIX MONTHS BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION. THEY SAID, NO, DON'T DO THAT. WE SHOULD APPOINT THEM. SO AS MAYOR PRO TEM MEDRANO AGREED. I THINK JUST WITH OUR SAID, I THINK WITH THE COST AND AND COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG ALLUDED TO THE TIMING, I THINK AN APPOINTMENT MAKES MORE SENSE IN THIS SITUATION. COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG I ACTUALLY DID EXPLORE VERY BRIEFLY THE OPTION OF HAVING A SPECIAL ELECTION AND THEN HAVING THAT PERSON STAY IN THE SEAT UNTIL 2028, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH A THE PROCESS OF HAVING THE CITY VOTE ON THAT, WHETHER WHETHER WE WANT TO MOVE THAT SEAT FROM 2026 TO 20, 2028. SO THAT WOULD ACTUALLY GO HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE NORMAL ELECTION PROCESS THAT HAPPENS NEXT NOVEMBER. SO THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN TOO LATE FOR US TO TO DO. SO. THAT'S ACTUALLY SOMETHING I HAD TALKED TO WITH WITH OUR STAFF. AND SO THANK YOU, STAFF FOR INFORMING ME ON THAT. MAYOR PRO TEM MEDRANO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I, I ALSO EXPLORED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER DISCUSSED SOME OTHER OPTIONS.

LET'S NOT DO EITHER OPTION ONE OR OPTION TWO, AND LET'S LEAVE THE SEAT VACANT AS AN OPTION.

AND THEY THEY STRONGLY ADVISED AGAINST THAT BECAUSE THEN IT INVOLVES OTHER. OTHER GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS AND OTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCIES COMING IN AND APPOINTING FOR US.

AND WE LOSE CONTROL OF BEING ABLE. SO THAT SEAT WILL BE FILLED EVEN IF WE CHOOSE.

THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, EVEN IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO FILL IT, THAT SEAT WILL BE FILLED BY, I BELIEVE, EITHER THE STATE OR THE COUNTY. IF, WELL, IT WOULDN'T BE ANOTHER AGENCY APPOINTING SOMEONE THAT'S NOT SOMETHING ANOTHER AGENCY WOULD HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DO, BUT YOU COULD BE COMPELLED TO DO SO LEGALLY, RIGHT? LEGALLY, ESSENTIALLY, THEY WOULD FORCE US TO GO AND FILL THE SEAT, CORRECT, EVEN IF WE CHOOSE. SO SO WE LOOKED AT OTHER OPTIONS.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, ONCE AGAIN, IT COMES BACK TO A FEELING THAT OPTION TWO IS THE LEAST BAD OPTION OUT THERE. COUNCILMEMBER PETE, YOU KNOW, I WAS TALKING OUR BOOTH AT THE FESTIVAL WAS RIGHT NEXT TO CYPRESS SCHOOL DISTRICT AND THEY HAVE HAD AT LEAST ONE, IF NOT TWO, WHERE THEY'VE HAD TO APPOINT SOMEBODY. AND I TALKED TO THEM BECAUSE I WAS JUST KIND OF ASKING, SAYING, HEY, IF YOU HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN, WHAT WOULD YOU DO? AND THEIR PREFERENCE WOULD BE GO TO THE ELECTION. AND MAINLY BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING THE VOTERS INVOLVED IN THE DECISION AND IT'S NOT BEING AN APPOINTMENT BY THE CITY COUNCIL. NOW, THAT SAID, WHAT THEY ALSO SAID IS THEY RECOGNIZE THAT WITH ONLY A YEAR LEFT IN THE TERM BEFORE THEY SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TO RUN AGAIN. THEY SAID IT PROBABLY IS UNFEASIBLE AT THAT TIME TO DO IT, BUT THEIR RECOMMENDATION WAS HIGHLY TO GO FOR THE ELECTION. BUT I THINK I'M WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO IT UNLESS THERE WAS SOME OTHER CREATIVE WAY OF OF DOING SOMETHING WITH TERMS, WHICH I'M, I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY OPEN TO AT THIS TIME. SO I WOULD SAY, YEAH, I'M OPEN FOR DOING THE APPOINTMENT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS. MY ONLY QUESTION IS, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS FIRST POLICY DECISION NOW OR. YES. OKAY. SO WE'LL BIFURCATE THEM. THEN I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE FILL THE VACANCY VIA APPOINTMENT. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION.

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THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT DECISION IS TO DETERMINE THE APPLICATION MATERIAL REQUIRED OF THE CANDIDATES. AND SO THIS IS THE APPLICATION MATERIAL THAT WAS USED IN 2021. WOULD WE LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS OR IS THERE ANYTHING WE'D LIKE TO ADD OR TAKE AWAY. I'M FINE WITH THIS. IT'S GOOD. I GET THE SENSE WE'RE ALL FINE WITH THIS, SO I'LL MOVE TO. CAN I ADD I'M SORRY. YEAH, SURE. I THINK I HAD SAID IN THE WRITTEN STAFF REPORT, BUT OMIT HERE THAT THIS MATERIAL WOULD BE LIMITED TO FIVE PAGES, NO MORE THAN FIVE PAGES PER APPLICANT. THAT WORKS FOR. I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE.

IT'S WHAT YOU DO WITH COURT PAPERS. MAKE SURE EVERYONE IS STAYS WITHIN THE SAME SAME AMOUNT OF LENGTH. SO IN THAT CASE, I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE PROPOSED APPLICATION MATERIAL THAT BASED OFF WHAT WAS USED IN THE PAST WITH A FIVE PAGE LIMIT. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. OKAY. LOCK IN YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. POLICY DECISION C IF IT IS DECIDED TO FILL THE VACANCY BY APPOINTMENT, SELECT PREFERRED ALTERNATIVE METHOD FOR SCREENING CANDIDATES. THAT METHOD IS OR THOSE METHODS ARE OUTLINED HERE IN SLIDE NUMBER NINE. I THINK BASED ON THESE MY I GRAVITATE PERSONALLY TOWARDS OPTION B WHERE WE CREATE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS AND THEN ALLOW THE APPLICANTS TO GIVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTORY STATEMENT, ANSWER OUR QUESTIONS AND MAYBE SOME SORT OF CLOSING STATEMENT. AND WE STICK WITHIN A TIME LIMIT, BUT CERTAINLY OPEN TO OTHER SUGGESTIONS. MAYOR PRO TEM MEDRANO YEAH, I FOR THE OPENING STATEMENT DURING THAT, I WOULD SUGGEST WE KEEP IT TO 2 TO 3 MINUTES. KEEP IT BRIEF. SO.

COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG, I CONCUR. I'M I'M FINE WITH OPTION B AND I WOULDN'T MIND IT IF WE KEEP IT SHORT LIKE 15 MINUTES FOR THE INTERVIEW. COUNCIL MEMBER PETE, THAT WAS ONE OF THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. HERE IS THE THOUGHT. IT'S 15 MINUTES. OR IS THE THOUGHT THAT THE THAT IT GOES FOR LONGER THAN THAT? WHAT IS WHAT IS THE THOUGHT ON TIME HERE? IF YOU HAVE AS MANY AS, YOU KNOW, 8 OR 9 QUESTIONS IS I WOULDN'T BE OPTIMISTIC THAT THAT FITS WITHIN THOSE. I AGREE. IF YOU WANT ME TO TAKE A LOOK AT. SHORTENING THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS ASKED AND HAVING A 20 MINUTE LIMIT, I THINK THAT'S MANAGEABLE. YEAH, I THINK, I THINK HAVING I KNOW YOU HAVE A DRAFT OF QUESTIONS THAT WERE USED LAST TIME IN THE PROCESS. I THINK MAYBE WE WANT TO TAKE OUT 1 OR 2 OF THOSE, MAYBE ADD IN ANOTHER, AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AT THIS MEETING. SO I THINK SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE ON BOARD GENERALLY WITH OPTION B AND MAYBE KEEP IT TO I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO PEOPLE THINK IN TERMS OF THE TIME. I'D BE FINE WITH 30 MINUTES, BUT MAYOR PRO TEM MEDRANO SURE, WITH THE INFORMATION THEY'RE GOING TO SUBMIT AHEAD OF TIME AND BEING ABLE TO LOOK PEOPLE UP IN LINKEDIN AND SO FORTH, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST WE DO A TWO, THREE, 2 TO 3 MINUTES INTRODUCTION THAT THE CANDIDATE GIVE US A A STATEMENT, WE ASK A SERIES OF QUESTIONS, AND THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW IS DONE AND COMPLETED, ALONG WITH A CLOSING STATEMENT OF 30S TO 60S. AND THE ENTIRE INTERVIEW IS DONE WITHIN 15 MINUTES. AND THEN WE GIVE OURSELVES FIVE MINUTES AFTERWARDS TO DEBRIEF AMONGST THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OF WHAT WE SAW AND WHAT WE LIKED, AND THEN HAVE THE NEXT PERSON EITHER START AT 20 MINUTE MARK OR 30 MINUTE MARK, JUST SO THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND HAVE THINGS GO RATHER QUICKLY. BECAUSE WHAT I'M AFRAID OF IS IF WE MAKE THE INTERVIEWS TOO LONG, WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY LOSE OUR ABILITY TO KEEP FOCUS AND IT WOULDN'T BE FAIR TO THE CANDIDATES. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. ALSO, I DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY BREAK UP THE WHOLE INTERVIEW PROCESS INTO A MULTI-DAY. I'D RATHER WE DO IT ALL IN ONE DAY. SO AND THEN WE COME TO A DISCUSSION AT THE END OF THAT DAY TO TRY TO DETERMINE IT, EVEN IF IT MEANS STAYING LATE TO TO DO THAT SO THAT WE

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HAVE EVERYTHING FRESH IN OUR MIND. THANK YOU. AND I SEE MY OTHER COLLEAGUES ABOUT TO JUMP IN, BUT MAYBE I THINK A LOT OF THAT MADE SENSE. I THINK I HAD A QUESTION, PERHAPS ABOUT THE PORTION YOU MENTIONED, POTENTIALLY DEBRIEFING AFTER THE INTERVIEWS. I THINK MAYBE OUR CITY ATTORNEY WANTED TO JUMP IN IF YOU WANT TO. THAT'S EXACTLY THE TOPIC. MY SUGGESTION, AND JUST BASED ON PAST EXPERIENCE AND PRACTICE, INCLUDING THE LAST TIME THE COUNCIL IN CYPRUS APPOINTED IS, IT'S PROBABLY BEST TO HEAR ALL OF THE PRESENTATIONS, BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO NECESSARILY MAKE SOME STATEMENTS THAT TIP THE OTHER FOLLOWING PRESENTERS OFF ON WHAT IS IMPORTANT OR CRITICAL TO THE COUNCIL. IT IS BEST TO GIVE ALL OF THEM THE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT, WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF HEARING ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COUNCIL. SO I WOULD JUST SUGGEST PERHAPS THAT DEBRIEFING BY THE COUNCIL OCCUR AFTER ALL THE PRESENTATIONS. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG, THANK YOU. I'M THINKING ABOUT OUR COMMISSIONER INTERVIEWS AND, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE ONLY TEN MINUTES LONG, BUT WE HAD ABOUT 40 OF THEM. SO WE ENDED UP HAVING TO BREAK THAT UP OVER TWO DAYS. AND IT WOULD BE LIKE A THREE HOUR STRETCH OF INTERVIEWS, BECAUSE AT TEN MINUTES EACH, AND IF WE SAW 18 PEOPLE IN ONE DAY, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THREE HOURS. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M WORRIED ABOUT IS IF WE GO TOO LONG, I THINK IT'S JUST GOING TO BE TOO UNWIELDY. SO 15 MINUTES, I THINK HOPEFULLY WE DON'T GET 40. WELL, I CAN'T SAY THAT. BUT IF WE DO GET 40, 40 APPLICANTS, YOU KNOW, THAT'LL TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET THROUGH THEM ALL. AT 15 MINUTES, EACH. COUNCIL MEMBER. PETE. YEAH, THAT WAS KIND OF THE QUESTION. IF YOU NOTICE WHAT THEY DID BACK IN 21, IT WAS 45 MINUTES.

AND I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY TOO LONG. OKAY. NOW THAT WAS WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GAVE TO US CITY MANAGER. SO I THINK WE NEED TO REALLY CONSIDER HOW MUCH OF THE INFORMATION WE'LL HAD AHEAD OF TIME THAT WE CAN ALL COME IN PREPARED TO TALK, YOU KNOW, TO UNDERSTAND. BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE I'M ALL FOR 15 MINUTES. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S FEASIBLE TO BE ABLE TO, TO GET QUALITY INPUT FOR WHAT WE'D BE LOOKING FOR. YOU KNOW, SO SO I THINK IT'S SOMEWHERE BETWEEN PROBABLY 15 AND 30. BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR GUYS'S THOUGHTS ON THAT. MAYOR PRO TEM, DID YOU REQUEST AGAIN? YEAH. ONLY ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO PUT IN IS I KNOW SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DO ROUNDS OF INTERVIEWS, I'M NOT ROUNDS OF INTERVIEWS, INTERVIEW CANDIDATES, USUALLY. SOMETIMES THE LAST CANDIDATES HAVE.

STATISTICALLY, I GUESS, GO AND COMMENT ON THE STATISTICS. I'VE READ SOME STATISTICS WHERE USUALLY THE LAST CANDIDATE USUALLY HAS A FAVORING JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE THE LAST PERSON ON THE MIND OF EVERYONE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST, CAN WE DO SOME RANDOM ORDER WHEN IT COMES TO PICKING THE ORDER OF THE OF THE CANDIDATES? SO IT'S, IT'S DONE RANDOMLY SO THAT THERE IS NO PERCEIVED PREFERENCE. WE CAN DO THAT. AND I'LL POINT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE SCREEN IN FRONT OF YOU. AND ABOVE THE NOVEMBER 13TH DATE WOULD BE THE TIME, THE DATE UPON WHICH YOU AT WHICH RATHER YOU WOULD BE SELECTING THOSE WHO WOULD BE INTERVIEWED, BECAUSE IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT THERE MIGHT BE 40 FOLKS, I WOULD ENVISION IT WOULD BE FEWER THAN 40, APPRECIABLY FEWER THAN 40. YEAH. AND CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE NINE, I SUPPOSE? I GUESS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DECIDING AT THIS. SLIDE NUMBER NINE, PLEASE. SORRY. THERE WE GO. SO YEAH I THINK WE'RE ON. WE'RE GOOD WITH OPTION B. CAN I MAYBE SELL US ON. WHAT DO YOU THINK 20 OR 25 MINUTES 15 STRUCK ME AS A BIT SHORT, BUT I THINK 20 OR 25 SOUNDS BETTER AND DOESN'T MEAN ALL THE INTERVIEWS WILL GO THAT LONG. BUT I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE AN ARTIFICIALLY SHORT IN A WAY THAT WE FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT GETTING PEOPLE'S FULL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS. I WOULD SAY, LET'S KEEP IT AT 20, AND THEN WE CAN DO INTERVIEW SLOTS EVERY HALF HOUR, TOP OF THE HOUR AND 30 MINUTE MARK 20. AND IF IT GOES OVER FOR SOME REASON, WE HAVE SOME QUESTIONS TO ASK THE CANDIDATE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT ISN'T ON THE LIST.

FOR SOME REASON WE HAVE SOME EXTRA LEEWAY. OR IF A CANDIDATE IS ON A POINT AND THAT KIND OF MAYBE GIVEN A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME SO WE CAN END AT THE 2020 FIVE MINUTE MARK AND THEN WE CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE A BREAK IF WE NEED TO GET UP AND WALK AROUND, OR JUST TO BE ABLE TO TAKE NOTES, BECAUSE I KNOW WHENEVER I INTERVIEW PEOPLE, I USUALLY NEED SOME TIME TO GO AHEAD AND JOT DOWN STUFF AND SUMMARIZE AND PREP BEFORE THE NEXT CANDIDATE WALKS IN. BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IS A CANDIDATE WALKING IN AND US PULLING UP THEIR MATERIALS AT

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THE SAME TIME SAYING, HEY, THIS, YOU'RE THE CANDIDATE. THAT'S. SO MAYBE IF WE CAN HAVE A LITTLE A MINUTE OR TWO BEFORE THE CANDIDATE WALKS IN. THAT'S WHY I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT AT 20.

SO WHAT DO YOU THINK, COUNCIL MEMBER PETE? I THINK YOU AND I WERE ON THE LONGER END, SO, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S LIKE IT THE THOUGHT THAT IT'S EVERY 30 MINUTES WITH SOME TIME IN BETWEEN. SO I'D SAY LET'S TARGET 20 AND SEE HOW THAT COMES ABOUT. LET'S JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN WE PUT OUR QUESTIONS TOGETHER AND WHAT WE'D WANT AHEAD OF TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT RE-ASKING OR DOING SOME OF THAT STUFF. SO AND THAT WOULD ALSO KEEP THE CANDIDATES VERY FOCUSED AND NOT GOING OVER, YOU KNOW, AND SAYING, HEY, ANSWER THE QUESTION AND THEN GO TO THE NEXT ONE. SO YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH 20. WELL IS THAT A MOTION.

OH, DO WE MAKE A MOTION ON THIS? I GUESS WE DO. THAT'D BE HELPFUL. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE HAVE INTERVIEWS. IS IT NOVEMBER 13TH. WE'RE DOING IT NOVEMBER 13TH. AND THE LENGTH OF THE INTERVIEWS WILL BE 20 MINUTES AND SCHEDULED 30 MINUTES APART. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND THAT. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ONE. BUT MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE, I DID WANT TO SAY THAT I KNOW WE'RE MAKING THE DECISIONS UP HERE, BUT I DO SEE YOU. AND I SEE YOUR HEAD SHAKES AND YOUR HEAD NODS, AND THEY ARE HELPFUL. SO IT JUST SEEMED LIKE I SENSED THE 15 MINUTES WAS A LITTLE SHORT FOR MANY PEOPLE, AND THEY WANTED TO STEP IT UP A BIT, SO THANK YOU, MAYOR. BEFORE WE MOVE ON, ARE THERE WERE THERE INTERVIEWS GOING TO TAKE PLACE? I BELIEVE THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE PLACE IN HERE. DO WE NEED TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE MOTION OR.

I DON'T THINK WE DO. IT WOULD BE HERE. PUBLIC INTERVIEWS. EVERYBODY WILL KNOW THAT THEY'RE PUBLIC INTERVIEWS. AND THEN DID YOU NEED US? I KNOW YOU HAD THE RECOMMENDATION, HAD PROPOSED THAT PERHAPS EACH COUNCIL MEMBER GET TO CHOOSE UP TO TWO APPLICANTS TO BE INTERVIEWED, OR THREE. DO YOU NEED US TO DECIDE ON THAT NOW, OR COULD IT BE A FLEXIBLE THING WHERE IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY WE GET? THE LATTER OKAY, SOUNDS GOOD. THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO POLICY DECISION D APPROVE THE PROCESS SCHEDULE, WHICH IS IN SLIDE NUMBER TEN. IF YOU CAN PULL THAT ONE UP FOR US PLEASE. SURE. AND SO WHILE THEY'RE PULLING IT UP, I'D ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO JUST THINK ABOUT IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH THIS TIMELINE OR YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTED MODIFICATIONS TO THE TIMELINE. TEN. ONE SLIDE UP, ONE MORE SLIDE NUMBER. THERE YOU GO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY SUGGESTED MODIFICATIONS OR ARE WE GOOD WITH THIS.

COUNCIL MEMBER PETE. SO SINCE THAT'S OUR REGULAR SCHEDULED MEETING, ARE WE THINKING THIS IS THE MEETING OR DO WE THINK THIS IS HAPPENS BEFORE THE MEETING? IT HAPPENS AFTER THE MEETING OR THIS IS THE MEETING TOPIC AT THIS IS AN ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA OKAY. OTHER BUSINESS ITEMS AT WHICH TIME YOU WOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION NOT SO DIFFERENT THAN YOU HAD AT YOUR LAST MEETING AS TO WHO YOU WANTED TO HIRE TO CONDUCT THE CITY MANAGER RECRUITMENT.

SO YOU WOULD SAY, I THERE'S REALLY 2 OR 3 CANDIDATES I REALLY WANT TO SEE, AND SOMEBODY ELSE THERE WILL BE OVERLAP AS WELL. AND I AND IT'S JUST A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO BE VERY COLLEGIAL TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, BE REALLY COLLEGIAL. SO ON THE 20TH, THAT'S WHEN WE START WHENEVER WHATEVER THAT TIMELINE IS FOR THE SPECIAL MEETING. THAT'S CORRECT. THIS THIS THE NOVEMBER 30TH IS THE DATE WHERE IT IS DECIDED WHOM WILL BE INVITED FOR THE NOVEMBER 20TH INTERVIEWS. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG. SO NOVEMBER 20TH, WE'RE THINKING IT'S GOING TO BE THEY'RE IN DAYTIME OR NIGHTTIME MEETING IN HERE. I WOULD THINK IT WOULD PROBABLY BE EVENING, JUST BECAUSE IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT PEOPLE APPLICANTS CAN SHOW UP TO AN EVENING MEETING, I WOULD SAY, THAN A MIDDLE OF THE WORK DAY. OKAY. YES, I IMAGINE IT WOULD BE AN EVENING OF NOVEMBER 20TH. OKAY. I THINK IT'S A GOOD TIME FOR US TO CHECK OUR SCHEDULE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO CHANGE THIS TIME LATER. ARE YOU GUYS ALL OKAY WITH THE THURSDAY? THURSDAY NIGHT, NOVEMBER 20TH? YEAH. CHECK REAL QUICKLY ON. THE 19TH. WORKS A

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LITTLE BETTER FOR ME. SO THAT'S A WEDNESDAY. SO I DO HAVE A CONFLICT ON THE 20TH. I JUST REALIZED I HAVE A THERE'S AN ORANGE COUNTY FIRE AUTHORITY ON THE 20TH. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND. I HAVEN'T MISSED ANY OF THOSE. MAYOR PRO TEM ORANGE COUNTY MOSQUITO CONTROL MEETING ON THE 20TH OF THIRD. OKAY, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, THE ONLY REASON I SUGGESTED THE 20TH IS THAT SOMEBODY WITH GOOD INTENTIONS ADVISED ME THAT YOU OFTEN SCHEDULE SPECIAL MEETINGS ON THE 20TH. THE 19TH WORKS PERFECTLY WELL HERE. THE ROOM'S AVAILABLE. I HAVE AN OC SAND MEETING THAT NIGHT, SO TUESDAY YOU HAVE IT ON THE 19TH. I HAVE IT ON THE 19TH. SO ON TUESDAY I HAVE AN EVENT I WAS GOING TO TELL PEOPLE ABOUT AT THE END OF THE MEETING. THIS IS WHY I DIDN'T ASK YOU IN ADVANCE. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO DO DAYTIME DAYTIME WORK FOR YOU GUYS OR IS THAT WORSE? I ONE QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW LONG WILL THE MEETING BE ON THE 19TH? YOU SAY WE CAN BUDGET. THE LENGTH OF TIME FOR THE INTERVIEWS WILL BE DETERMINED BY YOUR AFORE DETERMINED 30 MINUTES SCHEDULE, AND HOW MANY PEOPLE YOU INTERVIEW. WE DO TEN. THAT'S FIVE HOURS IF YOU'RE TIGHT. AND THEN THAT DOESN'T COUNT FOR THE LIVELY DISCUSSION THAT WILL FOLLOW. WELL, BASED ON THIS CONVERSATION, IT SEEMS LIKE OUR REALISTIC OPTIONS MIGHT BE FRIDAY THE 21ST. OR WE COULD DO TUESDAY THE 25TH, BUT THAT IS THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING. AND SO. THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOOK AT IT, AT THE HEADS SHAKING. OH YEAH. AND SO I'D SAY WORST I MEAN IT'S ONE OF US GOING TO SKIP ONE OF OUR BOARD MEETINGS. I MEAN, I THINK IT'S UNDERSTANDABLE IF THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. SO WHAT'S YOUR QUESTION? I'M I CAN DO THE 20TH IF. YEAH. YOU GUYS ARE WILLING TO FOREGO YOUR THE MAYOR HAS A OCFA MEETING THEN ON THE 20 ON NOVEMBER 20TH YOU HAVE A BOARD MEETING. I HAVE A BOARD MEETING.

YOU HAVE AN OBLIGATION ON 20TH, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THE 19TH, THERE'S ONE OBLIGATION WHICH IS YOURS, RIGHT. HOW ABOUT 24TH OR 25TH? THE 24TH MONDAY. BUT THAT'S THE HEAD SHAKING TOO CLOSE TO THANKSGIVING. SO I, I FEEL BAD DOING THIS, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD GO WITH THE 19TH IN SPITE OF COUNCIL MEMBER PETE'S CONFLICT. IF YOU'RE WILLING TO. I'LL SKIP THAT.

YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO CHECK. IT'S A THEY'VE BEEN SHORT PEOPLE NOT HAVING A QUORUM. I'VE NOTICED THAT IN THE LAST MEETING. SO I'LL HAVE TO LET ME CONFIRM. LET ME ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

MAYOR PRO TEM, GO AHEAD. ANY QUESTIONS? SO I'M WALKING THROUGH HERE OCTOBER 13TH.

DECLARE INTENT TO APPOINT. THAT'S WHAT WE DISCUSSED RIGHT HERE OCTOBER 14TH THROUGH THE 30TH. THAT'S ACCEPT APPLICATIONS. RIGHT. AND THAT'S ALL OFF ONLINE OR WHATEVER. HOW IS GOING TO BE ONLINE OR SUBMISSION OR PAPER COPIES OR I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE ONLINE EMAIL IT IN OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE CAN PROVIDE BOTH OPTIONS OKAY. WHATEVER.

WHATEVER OPTION. OKAY. SO NOVEMBER 3RD THROUGH THE SEVENTH, THAT INFORMATION WILL BE GIVEN TO US ELECTRONICALLY FOR US TO REVIEW. OR DO WE HAVE TO PHYSICALLY COME INTO A ROOM TO REVIEW IT? I THINK IT'S OUR INTENTION TO GET THAT TO YOU DIGITALLY. DIGITALLY. OKAY.

EACH OF YOU ELECTRONICALLY. DIGITALLY. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO REVIEW IT ON OUR OWN. OKAY. THEN NOVEMBER 13TH THAT'S THE THURSDAY REVIEW APPLICATION MATERIALS AND SELECT THOSE TO BE INTERVIEWED. THAT'LL BE ON THE 13TH. AND HOW LONG IS THAT GOING TO TAKE.

WOULD YOU SAY IT'S THAT'S THAT DEPENDS ON YOU ALL. AND WE HAVE TO MEET YOU. YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE HERE. SO WE'D HAVE TO PHYSICALLY BE HERE IF I WERE GUESSING I MEAN. SO SO JUST TO CLARIFY, I THOUGHT NOVEMBER 13TH WAS OUR REGULAR MEETING. IT'S NOT. IT'S A THURSDAY. OUR MEETING IS ON NOVEMBER 10TH OKAY. THAT MONDAY. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT NOVEMBER 13TH REPRESENTS, WHAT THE COMMITMENT IS FROM US PHYSICALLY. WHAT'S ALSO THE COMMITMENT IS AS FAR AS TRANSPARENCY AND OTHER THINGS. SO I JUST TRYING TO GET THAT IN MY MIND. I'M THINKING IS NOVEMBER 13TH I'M SORRY, IS THE 13TH MEETING IS IT A REMOTE

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MEETING? YOU CAN DO THAT ON? I HAD ENVISIONED THE 10TH. I HAD ENVISIONED THAT YOUR REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TAKE, YOU KNOW, 40 MINUTES OUT. YOU DECIDED ON THE I MEAN, I THINK I THINK THAT'S WITHIN YOUR MEANS TO DO. OKAY. SO, SO SO STRIKE THAT IT'S MEANT TO BE NOVEMBER 10TH, NOVEMBER 10TH, WHICH IS REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. YES. OKAY. IN FRONT OF VIDEO. VIDEO. YES. YES OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S MONDAY THE 10TH. RIGHT. AND THEN SO THEN IF THAT'S NOVEMBER 10TH THEN WE CAN ACTUALLY. SO ONCE WE SELECT THOSE WE WANT THOSE TO BE ON ALSO. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GIVE ENOUGH TIME TO THE. PEOPLE FOR THE APPLICANTS TO BE PREPARED FOR THE INTERVIEW AND SO FORTH. SO ONCE WE WE LET THEM KNOW LET'S SAY ON NOVEMBER 10TH, ON MONDAY, WHAT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT AN APPLICANT CAN THEN SAY, OKAY, I HAVE A FULL TIME JOB, I HAVE TO GIVE NOTICE TO MY EMPLOYER THAT I'M GOING TO BE GONE THIS DAY INTERVIEWING FOR THIS.

WHAT'S A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME? ONE WEEK? IS THAT ENOUGH TIME? SO ARE WE THEN LOOKING AT THE 17TH, THEN SO 17TH, 18TH, 19TH, 20TH. WE CAN STILL KEEP THAT SCHEDULE AND STILL BE. COG.

I'M RESPECTFUL OF THE SCHEDULES OF THE APPLICANTS. AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT NOVEMBER 17TH, 18TH, 19TH OR 20TH, MAYBE THE 21ST. THAT'S FRIDAY THE 21ST. SOME PEOPLE MAY BE PREPARING TO HEAD OFF FOR THANKSGIVING. OBVIOUSLY, THE WEEK OF THANKSGIVING IS PROBABLY NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION TO HAVE ANY INTERVIEWS, BUT WE HAVE TO BE DONE ESSENTIALLY BY SUNDAY, NOVEMBER 30TH. AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S TUESDAY. I'M SORRY, TUESDAY THE 18TH. THERE'S MONDAY THE 17TH, TUESDAY THE 18TH, 19TH, 20TH, 21ST. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT WEEK AND WE'RE LOOKING AT A COMMITMENT OF 6 TO 8 HOURS OF US INTERVIEWING. IF WE DO HALF AN HOUR AND WE HAVE TEN CANDIDATES, THAT'S FIVE HOURS PLUS THE PREPPING BEFORE AND AFTERWARDS DISCUSSION. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THE WHOLE DAY. AND IF WE START AT 4 P.M. WE'RE HERE UNTIL TEN. IF WE START MUCH LATER IN THE DAY, THERE'S MORE LIKELY TO BE MORE CANDIDATES IF WE DON'T INTERFERE WITH THEIR SCHEDULES, WORK START EARLIER IN THE DAY. WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE TO START TWO IN THE AFTERNOON AND FINISH AT EIGHT. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IT MONDAY THE 17TH OR WEDNESDAY THE 19TH I DON'T KNOW. YEAH. SO AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU FOLLOW THE BROWN ACT AND YOU CAN'T COORDINATE CERTAIN THINGS BEFOREHAND. SO I APOLOGIZE THAT IT'S A BIT MESSY, BUT WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO WORK IT OUT.

SO YEAH, I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU AND I BOTH HAVE CONFLICTS. ON THE 20TH COUNCIL MEMBER PETE HAS A CONFLICT ON THE 19TH. ALL THREE OF US HAVE A CONFLICT ON THE 20TH. WELL, COUNCIL MEMBER PETE HAS A CONFLICT ON THE 19TH. I HAVE A CONFLICT ON THE 17TH THAT I SUPPOSE I COULD CANCEL.

I'D FEEL THE 18TH IS THE WHERE THE CITIES WERE HAVING THE INTERFAITH EVENT THAT HAD BEEN ORGANIZING WITH PASTOR MCKAY AND OTHER FAITH LEADERS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND WE RESERVE THE ROOM AND STARTED PUBLICIZING IT. SO I CAN'T CANCEL THAT ONE. SO EARLIER TIME ON THE 17TH WORK AS MAYOR PRO TEM SUGGESTED, BUT DOING IT THE DAY. SO I'D SAY OUR TWO OPTIONS ARE THE 17TH AND I CANCEL WHAT I'VE GOT, OR THE 19TH. AND COUNCIL MEMBER PETE ISN'T ABLE TO ATTEND THE VECTOR CONTROL MEETING. OR. THE SANITATION. YEAH. SORRY. YEAH. ARE THEY? I'M SORRY. OKAY. AND SATURDAYS ARE OUT. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING? THE ONLY STAFF THAT NEEDS TO BE HERE IS LISA AND ME. THERE'S. THERE'S NO PLACE I'D RATHER BE ON A SATURDAY. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S.

YEAH, THERE'LL BE A THERE'LL BE SOME OTHER MORE IMPORTANT PEOPLE THAN US, BUT WE CAN I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GOOD DAY OR A BAD DAY. I MEAN IT'S FOR SOME RESIDENTS, IT MIGHT BE IF THEY WORK FIVE DAYS A WEEK, IT MIGHT BE GOOD, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY'S IN THAT BOAT.

THAT MIGHT BE HARD. YEAH, I WAS GONNA SAY THAT. WOULD A WEEKEND BE BETTER? I, I'D WANT TO AVOID WEEKENDS BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE KIDS, THEY HAVE SPORTS TOURNAMENTS OR THINGS THAT YOU

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CAN'T GET OUT OF BIRTHDAY PARTIES, WHAT HAVE YOU. SO. WELL I THINK. COUNCIL MEMBER PETE, YOU HAD TALKED ABOUT GETTING BACK TO US. MAYBE. WHAT? I'LL JUST. YEAH, I'LL JUST I'LL JUST TELL THEM BECAUSE THERE'S NO ALTERNATIVE. THAT'S RIGHT. I'M JUST WONDERING. I WILL LET THEM KNOW TOMORROW AND IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICT, WE CAN COME BACK. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT OR PROPOSE SOME OTHER DATES, BUT RIGHT NOW, LET'S JUST ASSUME THE 19TH AND I'LL. I'LL TELL THEM THAT, MAKE SURE THEY DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE. ALL RIGHT. AND SO YEAH, I APOLOGIZE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE MULTIPLE OTHER CONFLICTS ON THE 20TH. SO WHY DON'T WE CHOOSE THE 19TH FOR NOW. AND IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT, WE'LL FIND A WAY TO CHANGE IT. BUT FOR NOW, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT THE INTERVIEWS WILL BE CONDUCTED ON NOVEMBER 19TH. AT 330 OR 4 P.M.

I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE CANDIDATES, QUITE HONESTLY. YEAH. NOVEMBER 10TH, I WOULD SAY. YEAH, WE'LL KNOW MORE ON THE 10TH, BUT THAT'S RIGHT. NOW MAKE IT 2:00 IN THE AFTERNOON UNLESS WE HEAR OTHERWISE, BECAUSE 2:00 WILL ALLOW US FIVE HOURS AND GET DONE BY 8:00 AND 2 TO 8 THE SIX HOURS TO DO TEN, TEN. TEN HOURS. RIGHT. AND THEN WE CAN GO EVEN FURTHER IF WE NEED TO. SO ARE YOU THINKING LIKE. WELL, YEAH, WE CAN. WE'LL FIGURE THAT OUT BASED ON THE APPLICANTS AND NUMBER. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE THAT. WE ADOPT THE PROPOSED TIMELINE WITH THE MODIFICATION THAT THE SPECIAL MEETING WILL BE ON NOVEMBER 19TH RATHER THAN NOVEMBER 20TH.

AND THEN NOVEMBER 13TH IS NOVEMBER 10TH AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE SCREEN. AND NOVEMBER 13TH WILL ACTUALLY BE OUR NOVEMBER 10TH REGULAR MEETING. THAT'S MY MOTION. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. WE DID IT. COUNCIL MEMBER PETE. THANK YOU. SORRY.

IT WAS A DIFFICULT POSITION. ALL RIGHT. LAST POLICY DECISION, I BELIEVE DIRECT STAFF TO PROCEED WITH PUBLICIZING THE OPPORTUNITY AND BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. THIS IS A SLAM DUNK.

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE RECOMMENDATION IN POLICY DECISION E. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FURTHER FROM US ON THIS ITEM? ALL RIGHT. THAT BRINGS US TO ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR. COUNCIL

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MEMBER PEASE, I BELIEVE YOU PULLED ITEM FOUR FIRST. SO WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OKAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WELL, LET'S START WITH NUMBER FOUR. IT'S THE IT'S THE FIRST NUMBER.

THIS IS THE SECOND READING FOR UPDATING MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO THE CITY COUNCIL DECORUM RULES AND CODE OF ETHICS. AND WHEN I APPROVED THIS IN THE LAST MEETING, I, I DID IT FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE IS IT SEEMED TO BE KIND OF THE CONSENSUS OF WHERE THE COUNCIL WAS, BUT AS WELL AS IT IT SEEMED. BASED ON THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE CITY ATTORNEY, IT SEEMED LIKE THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO GO. AS I RELOOKED AT WHAT THE ORDINANCE SAYS, OKAY. AS WELL AS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS SAW THE VOICE OF OC ARTICLE THAT CAME OUT ON TEN SIX, THERE WAS A STATEMENT IN THERE THAT WAS KIND OF GNAWING AT ME, WHICH IS, I THINK WHY I WAS ON THE THE FENCE BACK IN WHEN WE APPROVED THIS BACK IN LATE SEPTEMBER. AND IN THE VOICE OF OC ARTICLE, IT TALKS ABOUT BY BY SOME OF THE THINGS AND ESPECIALLY THE DISPARAGING COMMENT IT SAYS, DOES THIS RESTRICT SPEECH BASED ON A VIEWPOINT? PART OF THE ESSENCE OF POLITICAL SPEECH IS TO CRITICIZE PEOPLE WHO HOLD OFFICE. I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT'S REALLY THE NEED, BUT THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS. AND THAT'S

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EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE THE FIRST AMENDMENT. AND AND SO I WAS KIND OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THAT STATEMENT. I THINK WE ADDED SOME WORDS WHEN I HEARD THIS COME ABOUT IN SEPTEMBER. I HEARD WE WANT TO WE WANT NOT TO CLARIFY. WE WANT TO. SIMPLIFY, OKAY. AND HONESTLY, WE DIDN'T SIMPLIFY. WE WE TOOK WHAT WAS THERE AND THEN ADDED MORE LANGUAGE, WHICH MADE IT MORE RESTRICTIVE. AND SO AS I WENT THROUGH IT, I, I, I SAID, THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH WHAT WE HAD THERE. I THINK DISPARAGING IS UP FOR INTERPRETATION, QUITE HONESTLY.

AND I THINK WE AS COUNCIL MEMBERS NEED TO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE. AND IF THAT MEANS THAT WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT A TOPIC WHERE SOMETHING HAPPENED OR THERE WAS A BEHAVIOR, OR THERE WAS A CIRCUMSTANCE OR THERE WAS AN ARTICLE, I THINK WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE AND MAKE STATEMENTS THAT MAY BE PERCEIVED AS DISPARAGING, BUT THEY'RE REALLY FACT BASED, BASED ON ARTICLES. SO I THINK PERSONALLY, WHAT WE HAVE IS ADEQUATE. I DON'T SEE VALUE IN INCLUDING THE ADDITIONAL WORDS. MY APOLOGIES TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT HE SPENT TIME GOING THROUGH IT AND TRIED TO ADD CLARIFICATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WHEN I READ THROUGH MULTIPLE PARAGRAPHS, IT WAS TAKING THE PARAGRAPH AND THEN SAYING IT THE SAME, SAYING THE SAME THING, BUT SAYING IT MORE HARSHLY.

OKAY. AND IT WAS PRETTY CONSISTENT THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT. SO I SAW PERSONALLY NO VALUE IN DOING IT. AND HONESTLY, I FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ALL ABOUT ACCOUNTABILITY.

WE NEED TO HOLD EACH OTHER ACCOUNTABLE, EVEN IF IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY OR HEAR. SO WITH THAT, I WANTED TO PULL IT BECAUSE I WANTED TO CHANGE MY VOTE AND I'M VOTING NO ON THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'M NOT GOING TO HOLD BACK. SO IF THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT SOMEONE MAY BE PERCEIVED, THAT IT'S DISPARAGING COMMENT I'M JUST GOING TO APOLOGIZE IN ADVANCE. IT IS WHAT IT IS. I'M WE NEED TO JUST BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR ALL OF OUR BEHAVIORS. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M AT. SO MY MY VOTE IS NO ON NUMBER FOUR. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG. THANK YOU. BONNIE. WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO ADOPTING THIS IF WE REMOVE THE DISPARAGING LANGUAGE? THAT ONE WORD, IT WAS IT WASN'T JUST THE DISPARAGING. I WENT THROUGH THE ENTIRE THING AND THERE SEEMED, LIKE I SAID TO BE MORE HARSHNESS ADDED INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS LIKE A STATEMENT MADE. AND THEN IT WAS LIKE, ALL RIGHT, LET ME REALLY BRING A POINT AND MAKE IT MORE HARSH. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS UNNECESSARY, QUITE HONESTLY. AND IT ADDED IT ADDED CONTEXT THAT I DIDN'T THINK WAS NECESSARY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU. FOR ME, MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE IS THAT THESE CODE OF ETHICS, THEY'RE THEY'RE POINTLESS UNLESS WE AS A COUNCIL ARE, YOU KNOW, REALLY FOLLOW THROUGH AND ADOPT THESE AND INTERNALIZE THESE, THIS THIS CODE. AND FOR ME, I, I, I, I AGREE WITH WHAT BONNIE SAID AND WHAT THE VOICE OF OC SAID THAT WE DO WE ARE POTENTIALLY STEPPING ON THAT BOUNDARY OF WHAT'S FREE SPEECH AND WHAT'S NOT. I AND I'D BE OPEN TO REMOVING THIS DISPARAGING COMMENTS. I DO LIKE THE REST OF THE CHANGES. AND HONESTLY. THIS WAS ADDED TO THE COUNCIL AS AN AGENDA. WHAT WHAT I BELIEVE AS SOMETHING REACTIONARY, RIGHT? WE HAD A COUNCIL THAT WAS VERY CONTENTIOUS AND THERE DIDN'T SEEM TO BE A WAY OUT. I'M ACTUALLY HOPING THAT WE CAN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A NEW COUNCIL, AND WE WON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH THESE KIND OF ISSUES ANYMORE. SO I'M ALSO, I DON'T KNOW IF IF YOU GUYS ARE FINE WITH THE CODE OF ETHICS, I'D BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, GO FORWARD WITH WHAT WE HAD BEFORE AND KIND OF WITH THE HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO REACH THAT NEXT LEVEL IN TERMS OF OUR BEHAVIOR AND WHAT'S BECOMING OF A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. OH, I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION, BUT DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING, MR. CITY ATTORNEY? CERTAINLY. THANK YOU.

AND MAYBE IT'S. WE'LL COVER YOUR QUESTION. THE THE CONTEXT OF THE USE OF THE WORD DISPARAGING WAS. INTENDED TO NOT JUST BE BROADLY INTERPRETED, BUT TO AVOID ANY PERSONAL

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ATTACKS DISPARAGING AN INDIVIDUAL FOR ANYTHING BASED ON AN INDIVIDUAL CHARACTERISTIC, AS OPPOSED TO BEING ABLE TO CRITICIZE A COLLEAGUE'S OPINION ABOUT SOMETHING THAT IS ALWAYS AUTHORIZED. AND AND I WOULD AGREE THE FIRST AMENDMENT WOULD NEVER PERMIT ANY PROHIBITION ON SOMEBODY'S OPINION. AGAIN, DISPARAGING A PERSONAL CHARACTERISTIC OR ASPECT OF A COLLEAGUE THAT IS UNRELATED TO THEIR OPINION OR SOME ACTION THEY'VE TAKEN, IS NOT THE INTENT. AND BY CONTEXT OF THE WORDS, I BELIEVE THAT IS CLEAR. BUT CERTAINLY IF THE COUNCIL WANTED TO REMOVE IT, WHAT THE GOVERNMENT CODE SAYS IS ON SECOND READING, YOU CAN MAKE MINOR AMENDMENTS TO AN ORDINANCE WITHOUT HAVING TO COME BACK TO THE TO DO A FIRST READING, I BELIEVE ONLY REMOVING ONE WORD IN THE CONTEXT OF ALL THE CHANGES BEING MADE IS LIKELY NOT A SUBSTANTIAL CHANGE, BUT THE COUNCIL CAN OPT TO EVEN BRING IT BACK FOR FIRST READING IF THAT'S THE CHANGE IT WISHES TO MAKE OR OTHER CHANGES. THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. I'LL LET YOU JUMP IN IN A MINUTE. I JUST WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS RELATED TO MY QUESTION. AND I DIDN'T READ THE ARTICLE, BUT IT SEEMS THAT THE IDEA WAS PUT FORTH THAT WE HAD PRESENTED AN ORDINANCE THAT ALMOST SAID COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN'T MAKE DISPARAGING REMARKS AGAINST EACH OTHER. AND FROM WHAT I RECALLED OR WHAT I THOUGHT THE ORDINANCE SAID, IT WAS IN THE CONTEXT OF YOU CAN'T DO THESE KINDS OF THINGS TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY BASICALLY DISRUPT THE ORDERLY CONDUCT OF A MEETING. AND DISPARAGING WAS INCLUDED IN THAT WITH BOISTEROUS AND OTHER THINGS. AND SO, TO ME, MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT LAW IS YOU CAN GET AWAY WITH SAYING PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING DURING A COUNCIL MEETING, BUT YOU CAN'T DO SO IN A WAY THAT PREVENTS THE MEETING FROM BEING CONDUCTED IN AN ORDERLY WAY. AND SO I PERSONALLY DIDN'T. I FELT THAT THE WAY THE INCLUSION OF DISPARAGING WAS CHARACTERIZED WAS NOT ACCURATE. IN MY OPINION. THAT WAS JUST YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S HOW I INTERPRETED IT. AND I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR. AND I THINK THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AS YOU KNOW, ALLOWS A BROAD AMOUNT OF PUBLIC CRITICISM. BUT WHEN IT STARTS GOING INTO PERSONAL ATTACKS OR DISRUPTION OF A MEETING, TO YOUR POINT, THAT'S WHERE THE FIRST AMENDMENT WOULD NOT BE AS PROTECTIVE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND I HAVE ANOTHER THING I'M GOING TO MENTION. BUT MAYOR PRO TEM MEDRANO, PLEASE GO AHEAD.

SO JUST A FEW THINGS I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIS IS READING THE ARTICLE. I CAN SEE THE PERSPECTIVE THAT THE I CAN SEE THE AUTHOR'S PERSPECTIVE. AND I AM A BIG, STRONG SUPPORTER OF FIRST AMENDMENT. YOU CAN CALL ME AN IDIOT. AND ALL I ASK IS THAT YOU GIVE ME THE REASONS WHY I'M AN IDIOT. BECAUSE IF YOU JUST CALL ME AN IDIOT, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING WITH THAT. SO WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS EARLIER THIS YEAR, I MADE IT A POINT TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY TO GO AHEAD AND DRAFT IT, KNOWING THAT HE WOULD BE MINDFUL OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT AND HE WOULD BE RESPECTFUL OF IT AND HE WOULD HAVE THAT IN MIND. SO I BELIEVE IT WAS WRITTEN ALWAYS WITH THE INTENT OF PROTECTING THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AND AT THE SAME TIME CREATING A MORE ORDERLY, PREVENTING THE DISRUPTION OF MEETINGS. AND WE SAW AND ALL EXPERIENCE THE DISRUPTION OF THE MEETINGS, AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. AS FAR AS DISPARAGING, THAT TERM IS USED IN MANY OF OUR CONTRACTS. SO IT'S NOT THE FIRST TIME THAT DISPARAGING HAS COME ACROSS OUR, OUR TABLES. SO YOU CAN READ THROUGH THE VARIOUS CONTRACTS AND IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH DISPARAGING, THEN I WOULD SAY WE PROBABLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH A LOT OF THE CONTRACTS WE'VE WRITTEN FOR THIS CITY AND DISPARAGING, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DON'T THINK WE'RE THE ONLY CITY THAT USES THAT TERM IN CONTRACTS. SO WE'RE RIDING THE COATTAILS OF WHAT THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID. I THINK IT IS BASED UPON HIS LOGIC AND GUIDE RAILS THAT WE'RE USING THAT TERM. SO, YEAH, I KNOW INTENTION, AND I WILL DEFINITELY VOTE DOWN ANYTHING THAT DOES RESTRICT PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO SPEAK FREELY. THAT BEING SAID, WE ALL KNOW THE THE RULES AROUND THE FIRST AMENDMENT. IT DOESN'T GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO COME RUNNING IN HERE AND SAY SOMETHING LIKE, THERE'S A FIRE WHEN THERE ISN'T. WE ALL HAVE GUIDE RAILS ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT, AND THE AUTHOR OF THE VOICE OF OC ARTICLE SEEMED TO INDICATE THAT THAT THERE ARE NO GUARDRAILS ON THE FIRST AMENDMENT, WHICH I DISAGREE. THERE ARE SOME

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GUARDRAILS AS COMMON SENSE IN MANY WAYS, BUT BUT THAT WAS REALLY THE INTENT OF WHY I ASKED THE CITY ATTORNEY TO GO AHEAD AND CRAFT THE LANGUAGE. I DIDN'T CRAFT IT. HE'S AN EXPERT IN THAT AREA, AND SO I DEFER TO HIS EXPERTISE. AND I, I BELIEVE RIGHTLY SO. YOU DIDN'T CRAFT ANYTHING THAT SEEMED TO BE TOO MUCH OF A CHANGE. I'M LOOKING AT LITERALLY THE TEXT HERE, AND THERE'S OH ONE, TWO, SOME, SOME WORD INSERTIONS HERE, TWO MORE SENTENCES HERE, THREE SENTENCES HERE. AND IT WAS APPROVED UNANIMOUSLY. AND SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE. AND AGAIN, I WOULD JUST MAYBE I'M UNDERSCORING THE POINT IF THERE WAS A DIALOG AND SOME CRITICAL COMMENTS. AND FOR EXAMPLE, A COUNCIL MEMBER, SOMEBODY SAID, WELL, I THINK THAT CAN BE PROHIBITED BECAUSE IT'S DISPARAGING. I DON'T BELIEVE I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T INTERPRET THAT WORD TO BE THAT.

SO WITH EVERY ORDINANCE, THERE'S SOME INTERPRETATION AND APPLICATION. IN THIS CASE, THE APPLICATION WOULD BE A PERSONAL ATTACK THAT IS NOT PROTECTED OR DISRUPTION OF THE MEETING.

THAT'S THE CONCEPT OKAY. THANK YOU. AND AND SO I WANT TO MAYBE WE'LL WRAP IT UP SHORTLY. I THINK EVERYBODY'S MADE GOOD POINTS RIGHT. I, I HOPE WE'VE CLARIFIED A LITTLE BIT THAT OUR INTENT IS NOT TO STOP COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM MAKING CRITICAL COMMENTS. THAT'S NOT LEGAL.

IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO. AND COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG, I THOUGHT YOU MADE REALLY GOOD POINTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THIS CAME ABOUT IN RESPONSE TO SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED. AND I'M OPTIMISTIC. I THINK, LIKE YOU ARE, THAT WITH THIS GROUP OF COUNCIL MEMBERS, THOSE THINGS AREN'T GOING TO BE HAPPENING SO MUCH ANYMORE. MY HOPE IS THAT WE'LL FRANKLY NEVER LOOK AT THIS ORDINANCE AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'LL IT'LL BE IN THE CODE, AND NO COUNCIL MEMBER WILL BEHAVE IN A WAY THAT THAT FORCES US TO LOOK AT IT. THE REASON I I'D STILL LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT IN PART, IS BECAUSE WE DID ADD LANGUAGE TO CLARIFY THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS BASICALLY AREN'T SUPPOSED TO TRY AND START CONFRONTATIONS WITH OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS AFTER, BEFORE OR AFTER MEETINGS, WHICH WAS SADLY A THING THAT HAPPENED. AND FOR FORGET ABOUT CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT? LIKE, NO, NOBODY AT ANY WORKPLACE IN AMERICA SHOULD GO TO A JOB AND HAVE TO FEAR THAT THEIR COLLEAGUES ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THEM OUT OF A MEETING USING PROFANE LANGUAGE OR INTIMIDATING BEHAVIOR. AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, THAT WASN'T REALLY MENTIONED IN OUR CODE OF ETHICS OR CODE OF CONDUCT. AND I FEEL BETTER HAVING THAT IN THERE, EVEN IF I DON'T ANTICIPATE US EVER NEEDING TO CENSURE BASED ON THAT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT I THINK, I THINK EVERYBODY MADE GOOD POINTS. I'M HAPPY TO. I'M CONTENT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, AND I'M CONFIDENT THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON, ON, YOU KNOW, PURPORTED BREACHES OF THESE RULES IN THE NEAR FUTURE. GO AHEAD. COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG. THANK YOU. I WILL VOTE TO APPROVE THIS AS IT IS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ME THAT WE TRY TO FIND CONSENSUS. SO IF THERE'S ANY WAY FOR US TO FIND CONSENSUS, THAT WOULD BE MY IDEAL. THAT'D BE MY IDEAL GOAL.

AND IF WE COULD GET EVERYBODY TO ADOPT THIS, YOU KNOW, FOUR ZERO VOTE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THAT'D BE MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE. BUT IF NOT, THEN I'LL ACCEPT THIS AS IT IS.

THANK YOU. YEAH. AND AND SO, I MEAN, I'M HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION, BUT I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER PETE, THAT'S. YEAH, I'M STILL GOING TO VOTE NO BECAUSE BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, AS I GO THROUGH ALL OF THE COMMENTS, EVERY COMMENT THAT'S PUT IN IS ALREADY STATED IN THE PARAGRAPH ABOVE IT. SO I REALLY DON'T SEE A NEED BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY 100 DIFFERENT WAYS YOU COULD ACTUALLY PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE. SO I FEEL IT'S UNNECESSARY AND A LITTLE CHILDISH ACTUALLY. SO I'M MY VOTES. NO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL THEN I'LL MOVE TO APPROVE THE SECOND READING AND ADOPT AN ORDINANCE UPDATING THE MUNICIPAL CODE RELATING TO CITY COUNCIL DECORUM RULES AND CODE OF ETHICS. I'LL SECOND THAT. THAT MOTION PASSES THREE ONE WITH A NO VOTE FROM COUNCIL MEMBER PETE. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM THAT WAS PULLED WAS CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER PETE, WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. YEAH.

AND THIS IS DIFFERENT BUT SIMILAR. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT WAS THE SECOND READING OF THE

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ORDINANCE REPEALING REPLACING PORTIONS OF CHAPTER 17 OF THE MUNICIPAL CODE RELATED TO SMOKING. I CONTINUE AS I LOOKED AT THIS AGAIN, A BIT CHALLENGED AS TO WHAT PROBLEM WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. I HONESTLY DIDN'T HEAR OF A BIG PROBLEM THAT WE WEREN'T ADDRESSING TODAY. WE HAVE STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE PRETTY EXPLICIT AND PRETTY DETAILED, AND I HEARD IN OUR LAST MEETING THAT IT WOULD BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT IF WE WERE TO DO IT, BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ENDLESS RESOURCES TO TRY TO IMPLEMENT. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT TO BRING OUR POLICE INTO THIS, TO HAVE THEM COME AND SEARCH OUT SOMETHING. SO I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEONE AT THE COMMUNITY FESTIVAL WHO HAPPENS TO LIVE IN A MULTI-UNIT RESIDENCE AND AN APARTMENT, AND HE WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT IT MEANT AND, AND THE IMPACT FOR APARTMENTS LIVING. OKAY, BUSINESSES, IN MY OPINION AS WELL, ALREADY HAVE EVERY RIGHT AND SO DO APARTMENT OWNERS. RIGHT? HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO ALREADY RESTRICT AND DO IT.

NO, NO SMOKING FACILITY. THEY DO NOT NEED US TO TELL THEM THAT THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO THAT TODAY, AND IT PROBABLY MAKES IT EASIER, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY. THEY DON'T NEED US IF THEY WANT A SMOKE FREE ENVIRONMENT. SO WITH THAT, I JUST THINK IT'S TOO I, I LIKE TO FOLLOW WHAT THE STATE REQUIREMENTS ARE. IF THEY'VE ALREADY PROVIDED GUIDELINES, THAT'S WHAT I RECOMMEND WE FOLLOW. OKAY. AND IF THEY WANT TO PUT CHANGES WHICH I GUARANTEE THEY WILL CONTINUE TO PUT CHANGES OUT THERE, THEN WE COMPLY WITH THAT. SO MY RECOMMENDATION AND THAT'S WHY I'M VOTING NO ON IT IS IS WE STICK WITH WHERE WE'RE AT WITH WITH REGARDS TO THE STATE REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT IS MY REASON FOR VOTING. NO THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG. THANK YOU. YEAH I SO SECTION ITEM NUMBER EIGHT ADDED SEVERAL AREAS TO OUR SMOKING ORDINANCE. THESE INCLUDED OUTDOOR DINING, OUR PARKS, ENTIRE PARKS AND NOT JUST THE PLAYGROUND. INCREASING THE BUFFER ZONE AROUND SCHOOLS AND DAYCARE CENTERS TO 100FT.

SO THIS THIS WAS THIS ONE WAS IMPORTANT, PERSONALLY IMPORTANT TO ME. BECAUSE IF YOU GUYS HAVE CHILDREN AT SCHOOLS HERE, YOU'LL OFTEN KNOW THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY MULTIPLE ENTRANCES EXITS AROUND THE SCHOOLS, AND SOME OF THEM FEED DIRECTLY INTO THE NEIGHBORS NEIGHBORHOODS. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS AT THE FRONT OF THE SCHOOLS. SO I WANTED THAT BUFFER ZONE AROUND OUR SCHOOLS.

ANOTHER ONE IS OUR STOPS FOR BUS STOPS AND ALSO MULTI-UNIT HOUSING. MULTI-UNIT HOUSING IS ACTUALLY A BIG ONE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU DO IF YOU'RE A SMOKER, YOU KNOW THAT'S YOUR PERSONAL DECISION. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SECONDHAND SMOKE, CHILDREN, NEIGHBORS, THE ELDERLY, ANYBODY WITH A HEALTH VULNERABILITY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT DECISION OF WHETHER THEY INHALE SECONDHAND SMOKE. AND WE ALREADY KNOW HOW IN TERMS OF SECOND HAND SMOKE, IT'S DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CANCER AND OTHER LUNG DISEASES. AND SO IT WAS A BIG ONE FOR ME TO INCLUDE MULTI-UNIT HOUSING IN THIS ONE. AND SO THAT'S SOME OF THE RATIONALE WHY THESE AREAS THAT WE APPROVED SEVERAL COUNCIL MEETINGS AGO. BUT WE WENT THROUGH INDIVIDUALLY AND APPROVED THESE ALREADY. THANK YOU. I MOVE TO ADOPT THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE, REPEALING AND REPLACING PORTIONS OF CHAPTER SEVEN OF THE CYPRESS MUNICIPAL CODE RELATING TO SMOKING REGULATIONS. I SECOND THAT. THAT MOTION PASSES WITH THREE YES VOTES AND ONE NO VOTE FROM COUNCILWOMAN PETE. THANK YOU. THAT BRINGS US TO OUR SECOND ORAL

[ ORAL COMMUNICATIONS (Three minutes per speaker. The City Council may adjust the time allotted per speaker.) The public may address the City Council on any item within the subject matter jurisdiction of the City Council. Although Council Members may provide brief responses, the City Council may not discuss nor take action on items that are not on the agenda. Please complete a Speaker's Card to address the City Council in-person. Members of the public are encouraged to communicate with the City Council via email at citycouncil@cypressca.org or by calling 714-229-6699.]

COMMUNICATIONS PERIOD. I HAVE TWO SPEAKER CARDS FOR IN-PERSON SPEAKERS KRISTIN JACKSON, FOLLOWED BY MEGAN MARTINEZ KING. IS KRISTIN JACKSON. OH, THERE YOU ARE. THANK YOU. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WAIT FOR MY. OKAY. SO HI. GOOD EVENING. HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING? I'M HERE JUST TO VOICE MY OPINION ABOUT THE CHAMPIONS. 55% THAT YOU GUYS DISCUSSED LAST MONTH. I WANT TO JUMP TO

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THE END IN CASE THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CLOCK ON. OKAY, BECAUSE I WILL GO FOREVER. I WANT TO JUMP TO THE END IN CASE I RUN OUT OF TIME AND TELL YOU THAT I APPRECIATE YOU GUYS ALL LOOKING INTO WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR CITY IS FINANCIALLY STABLE. WE DO NEED OUR COUNCIL TO ASK THE TOUGH QUESTIONS, WHICH I APPRECIATE. A POSSIBLE SOLUTION COULD BE SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF WHAT WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED. NOW LET ME GO TO THE BEGINNING.

OH, OKAY. SO I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE 55% REQUIREMENT FOR CHAMPIONS BASEBALL. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT CPB HAS MET THE 55%, AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE OTHER TWO GROUPS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEM, COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG, YOU HAD STATED THAT YOU'RE NEW TO THIS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT YOU DO NOT QUITE UNDERSTAND MAYBE THE POSITIVE IMPACT THIS PROGRAM HAS ON OUR COMMUNITY. THIS PROGRAM HAS BEEN HERE FOR OVER 20 YEARS. IT IS A PROGRAM THAT WELCOMES SPECIAL NEEDS PLAYERS WHO WOULDN'T HAVE A PLACE LOCALLY TO PLAY OTHERWISE. IT IS A PLACE FOR FAMILIES COME TOGETHER TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER AS ONLY THEY CAN. IT'S A PROGRAM THAT OFFERS THE YOUTH OF OUR CITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND GIVE BACK BY BEING A BUDDY IN THIS PROGRAM, AND IT ONLY GETS 0.5%. I THINK OF THE TOTAL AMOUNT GIVEN TO NONPROFITS, AND MOST OF THAT IS JUST DIFFERENTIAL COSTS FOR THE FIELD USAGE. IT WAS ALSO BROUGHT UP THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS WANTED TO PUSH ASIDE THE 55%, BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE FRIENDS IN THE PROGRAM OR, YOU KNOW, YOUR FRIENDS PROBABLY STARTED SOME OF THE PROGRAM. I TOOK THAT AND I WASN'T AT THE MEETING, SO I APOLOGIZE IF I TAKE IT OUT OF CONTEXT, BUT I TOOK THAT KIND OF AS A THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT WE WANT TO PUSH ASIDE THE 55%. BUT I REALLY DON'T THINK IT IS THE TRUE REASON, AT LEAST WHEN IT COMES TO THE 55%, IS BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. THIS PROGRAM ADDS SO MUCH TO OUR CITY. PLEASE COME OUT ON A SUNDAY AND WATCH THEM. I WAS THERE THIS LAST SUNDAY. YOU GUYS WOULD REALLY ENJOY IT. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN OUT THERE TO WATCH CHAMPIONS. MAYOR BURKE, YOU ALSO MENTIONED THAT CYPRESS TAX DOLLARS SHOULD GO TO ORGANIZATIONS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE BENEFIT. WE DO BENEFIT FROM IT, EVEN IF WE'RE NOT ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM. LIKE I SAID, I WAS THERE ON SUNDAY. I BENEFITED GREATLY FROM WATCHING THESE KIDS OUT THERE, WATCHING THE FAMILIES GET THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEEDED. I TOLD YOU I'D RUN OUT OF TIME. SHOOT. IT'S AMAZING TO SEE THE JOY IN THE FACES AND THE CHAIRS AND THE FAMILIES. THEY GET TO BE INCLUDED IN AMERICA'S FAVORITE PASTIME, SOMETHING THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY READILY AVAILABLE IN EVERY CITY, EVEN AROUND HERE.