[ ORAL COMMUNICATIONS ON AGENDA ITEMS (Three minutes per speaker. The City Council may adjust the time allotted per speaker.) The public may address the City Council on agenda items prior to any action taken. Although Council Members may provide brief responses, the City Council may not engage in a discussion with members of the public during the meeting. Please complete a Speaker's Card to address the City Council in-person. Please follow the instructions at the end of the agenda and wait for the Mayor/City Clerk to call on you to address the City Council virtually. Speakers providing in-person comments will be called first. Members of the public are encouraged to communicate with the City Council via email at adm@cypressca.org or by calling 714-229-6699.]

COMMUNICATIONS PERIOD ON AGENDA ITEMS. THE PUBLIC MAY ADDRESS THE CITY COUNCIL ON AGENDA ITEMS PRIOR TO ANY ACTION TAKEN, ALTHOUGH COUNCIL MEMBERS MAY PROVIDE BRIEF RESPONSES, THE CITY COUNCIL MAY NOT ENGAGE IN A DISCUSSION WITH MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC DURING THE MEETING.

PLEASE COMPLETE A SPEAKER'S CARD, WHICH ARE AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM, TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL IN PERSON, OR FOLLOW INSTRUCTIONS AT THE END OF THE AGENDA AND WAIT TO BE CALLED ON TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL VIRTUALLY. SPEAKERS WITH IN PERSON COMMENTS WILL BE CALLED FIRST. OKAY, FIRST UP IS HARUMI. AND SHE WILL BE FOLLOWED BY PAUL KOKKINOS.

GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS HARUMI AND I LIVE IN THE CITY OF CYPRESS FOR OVER 20 YEARS. AND THIS IS REGARDING ITEM NUMBER NINE. YOUR PROPOSAL SAYS THE GOAL IS TO INCREASE PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON IMPORTANT ITEMS. IF IMPLEMENTED, THIS POLICY WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE PUBLIC DISCUSSION AND PARTICIPATION. RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE DISCUSSIONS ON ITEM BEFORE IT'S VOTED ON, WITH THE PARTICIPATION OF CITY MANAGER. THIS ALLOWS MORE TRANSPARENCY AND MORE TIME FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. YOUR POLICY WILL ELIMINATE ONE OF THE DISCUSSION AND WILL ELIMINATE THE CITY MANAGER, WHO OFTEN REFINES IDEAS. YOUR NEW POLICY ALLOWS A VOTE IMMEDIATELY AFTER ONLY ONE DISCUSSION. YOU STATED ON DECEMBER 9TH MEETING AFTER YOU BECAME THE MAYOR. QUOTE I AND I BELIEVE IN AN OPEN AND COMPETITIVE MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS WHERE EVERYONE COUNCIL MEMBERS, RESIDENTS, STAFF MEMBERS BRINGS FORWARD THEIR IDEAS FOR IMPROVING OUR COMMUNITY AND WE DISCUSS THEM OPENLY AND CIVILLY, GIVING RESIDENTS PLENTY OF TIME TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO WEIGHING IN. AND THEN WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THAT DEBATE FOCUSED ON THE MERITS OF THE ISSUES, AND WE LET THE BEST IDEA WIN, UNQUOTE, HOW REDUCING THE AMOUNT OF DISCUSSION WE HAVE ON AN ISSUE, ON AN ISSUE IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR DESIRE TO GIVE RESIDENTS PLENTY OF TIME TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO WEIGH IN. HOW CAN YOU CLAIM THAT THIS IS MORE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC? THE FIRST OPPORTUNITY YOU HAVE TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT, YOU DO EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE. WHAT'S YOUR DEFINITION OF TRANSPARENCY? SO FAR, OUR MAYOR AND COUNCIL HAVE REMOVED THE ONLY WOMAN IN THE COUNCIL FROM HER POSITION AS MAYOR PRO TEM PRO TEM, AND HER POSITION ON THE ORANGE COUNTY FIRE FIRE AUTHORITY. WHAT'S NEXT? WHAT POLICIES DO YOU WANT TO RUSH THROUGH BY THIS? BY MAKING ALL THESE CHANGES? WHAT'S BEHIND CHANGING ALL THIS AGENDA PROCESS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PAUL KOKKINOS FOLLOWED BY. PEARL BOLTER. GOOD EVENING. COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REVIEW FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE, SINCE IT SEEMS TO BE A MATTER OF IMPORTANCE, HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED IN THE CITY OF CYPRESS? I ATTENDED LANDALE AND ARNOLD ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS, LEXINGTON JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL, THE 1979 CLASS GRADUATE OF CYPRESS HIGH SCHOOL, AND I ATTENDED COURSES AT CYPRESS COLLEGE, SO I'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. NOT THAT THAT NECESSARILY MATTERS. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT ITEM NUMBER NINE, AND

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I WANT TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF MAYOR BURKE'S POLICY CHANGE THAT ENABLES CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO MORE EASILY BRING AGENDA ITEMS TO THE FULL COUNCIL TO A MEETING. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA, ESPECIALLY WHENEVER WE CAN TAKE A PUBLIC POLICY AND REDUCE IT FROM ALMOST TWO FULL PAGES TO A SINGLE PAGE. CONCISE WAY, MORE OPEN, WAY MORE ACCEPTING OF DISSENTING AND DIVERSE VIEWS. SO I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT CHANGE IN POLICY. THE CURRENT POLICY WAS PRODUCED, WAS A PRODUCT OF OUR PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL. I BELIEVE IT TARGETED AND OFTEN DISSENTING MEMBER OUTSIDE THE HISTORIC COUNCIL MAJORITY, WHICH YOU'VE HEARD ME REFER TO AS A CABAL. IN THE PAST, THE PROPOSED NEW POLICY SHOULD STREAMLINE BRINGING AGENDA ITEMS TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION AND DECISIONS. THE NEW POLICY WOULD ALSO PROTECT ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF A DEVELOPED MAJORITY.

IT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE DIVERSE AND, LIKE I SAID, EVEN UNPOPULAR IDEAS OR TOPICS. OVERALL, I BELIEVE THE POLICY WOULD ALSO REIN IN SOME OF THE OUTSIZED INFLUENCE AND CONTROL OUR CITY MANAGER CURRENTLY HAS OVER THE CITY COUNCIL. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT I WOULD THINK ALL FIVE OF YOU COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD HAVE AS AN AREA OF CONCERN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CURRENT POLICY, IT GIVES, LIKE I SAID, LIKE I MENTIONED, AN OUTSIZED AMOUNT OF CONTROL BY THE CITY MANAGER. NOT ONLY WERE MEMBERS ENCOURAGED TO DISCUSS PROPOSALS, BUT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER AT HIS OR HER DISCRETION. OKAY, THE CITY MANAGER MAY ADD THE ITEM AT HIS OR HER DISCRETION, WHICH MEANS HE CAN ALSO KEEP THE ITEM. OFF WE GO A LITTLE BIT FURTHER WHERE HE WOULD, WHERE THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT IS, THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD BE NOTIFIED AS SOON AS PRACTICAL. WHAT'S MORE PRACTICAL AND IMMEDIATE THAN AN EMAIL TO ALL THE MEMBERS? AT A MOMENT, A COUNCIL AGENDA ITEM COMES TO HIS ATTENTION. AGAIN, I THINK AS OTHER PROPOSALS GIVING WAY TOO MUCH CONTROL AND POWER TO THE CITY MANAGER. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HOPEFULLY THE SUCCESSFUL PASSING OF YOUR NEW POLICY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PEARL BOULTER, FOLLOWED BY BOB YOUNGSMA. GOOD EVENING. I'M PEARL BOLTER, LONG TERM RESIDENT OF CYPRUS, HONORABLE MAYOR, MAYOR PRO TEM AND COUNTY CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. OVER THE PAST MONTH OR SO, I'VE SEEN LONG STANDING PROCEDURES OR PROCESSES CHANGE, SUCH AS THE MAYOR PRO TEM, WHO IN THE PAST HAS BECOME THE MAYOR. THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

QUALIFIED CANDIDATES THAT WERE ON COMMITTEES, VERY IMPORTANT COMMITTEES WEREN'T KEPT ON THOSE COMMITTEES. AND NOW THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO CHANGE HOW ITEMS ARE AGENDIZED UPON COMPARISON OF THE CURRENT AGENDA PROCEDURE TO MAYOR BURKE'S PROPOSAL, I WAS STRUCK WITH THE REDUCTION OF CITY MANAGER AND STAFF INPUT WITHOUT AN INCREASE IN TRANSPARENCY OR RESIDENT INPUT, AS IS STATED IN THE MAYOR'S PROPOSAL. AS A GOVERNMENT ADMINISTRATOR FOR MANY YEARS, I WELCOMED THE REQUEST FOR INPUT ON ITEMS THAT MY GOVERNING BOARD HAD LITTLE TO NO KNOWLEDGE OF.

AS A CITY RESIDENT, I INTERACT PRIMARILY WITH CITY STAFF WHEN I HAVE QUESTIONS OR NEEDS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE DAY TO DAY KNOWLEDGE ON MY ISSUES TO REDUCE THEIR INPUT ON AGENDA ITEMS IS A REGRESSION, NOT A PROGRESSION IN CITY GOVERNANCE. I ASK THAT YOU MAINTAIN THE EXISTING POLICY OR IF YOU CHANGES, AT LEAST HAVE AN EQUIVALENT OR BETTER POLICY. THANK YOU FOR THIS. YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER. THANK YOU. BOB JONGSMA. WELL, GOOD EVENING, BOB JOHNSON, A RESIDENT OF CYPRESS. I LOVE HOW THIS CLOCK DIDN'T WORK THE LAST TIME, BUT IT WORKS NOW. ALL RIGHT, NUMBER NINE, I HAVE A REAL PROBLEM. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN COMING NOW FOR QUITE A FEW YEARS, AND IT'S NOT JUST YESTERDAY. IT'S VERY, VERY UPSETTING. YOU GUYS TOOK CONTROL AND ACTUALLY KEPT GIVING IT TO THE MANAGER. AND THAT'S THE LAST FEW COUNCILS. THEY WANTED LESS WORK I BELIEVE. SO THEY GIVE IT TO THE MANAGER. HE WAS MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE IT. THE MANAGER SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY CONTROL. ANYTHING HE WANTS TO DO SHOULD GO RIGHT BACK TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THEY DECIDE WHAT THE AGENDA IS. AND I KEEP HEARING NOW, OH, WAIT A MINUTE. YOU

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KNOW, YOU CHANGE PROTOCOL. THESE PEOPLE NEED TO GO BACK AND SEE WHO CHANGED PROTOCOL. PROTOCOL WAS CHANGED BY THE LAST COUNCIL. THEY DIDN'T GO BY PROTOCOL. SO SINCE THERE WAS NO PROTOCOL OR RULES THERE WAS. THEY COULD DO WHAT THEY WANTED AND THEY DID IT CORRECTLY. THEY HAD THE MAJORITY RULE FOR WHAT HAPPENED. MY BELIEF IS, YES, YOU NEED TO DO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO. YOU GOT TO STOP GIVING HIM ALL THE CONTROL. AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU SHOULD TAKE IT AWAY FROM HIM. THAT'S WHAT YOU GUYS GOT VOTED IN FOR, TO DO THE CONTROL. I AGREE TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS AND GET INFORMATION AND DO THAT AND GET ADVICE. BUT IT'S YOUR JOB. HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT. YOU SHOULDN'T LET HIM DO A MINOR ADJUSTMENT TO A CONTRACT. AND THE REASON IS YOUR MINOR ADJUSTMENT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN HIS. AND WITH FIVE PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT IT, IT'S FAR BETTER THAN ONE. AND SO IF YOU KEEP GIVING HIM CONTROL, YOU'RE WRONG. EVERY ONE OF YOU ARE DOING WRONG TO THE CITY. AND IT'S TERRIBLE. I MEAN, IT'S VERY UPSETTING TO ME AND SOME PEOPLE THAT MAKE DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T LIKE PROTOCOL, THEY DON'T GO BY DRESS CODE, THEY DON'T DO ANYTHING. AND HERE WE ARE TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN IT UP AND PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING. YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO GET BACK TO DRESS CODE. WE NEED TO PUT THE POWER BACK IN THE COUNCIL THAT WAS ELECTED. AND THAT MEANS EVERYBODY HE DOES NOTHING. HE'S AN EMPLOYEE. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. HE'S AN EMPLOYEE. I'VE HAD MANAGERS, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK I LET THEM HAVE THE POWER TO TOUCH A CONTRACT? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? DOESN'T HAPPEN, YOU KNOW? SO YOU'VE GOT TO GOT YOU GOT TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

NUMBER NINE IS A GOOD THING. DON'T LET ANYBODY HAVE CONTROL OF IT. AND ANY ONLY ONE PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. SHOULD NOT BE OVERRULED BY HIM. AND IT SHOULDN'T BE OVERRULED BY ANYBODY. IF BONNIE SAID TODAY, I'D LIKE TO PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA, IT SHOULD BE PUT ON RIGHT AWAY. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST HER PUTTING SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE SHE'S PROBABLY GOT SOMETHING PRETTY GOOD THAT WE ALL SHOULD LISTEN TO. BUT WHEN HE'S GOT THE POWER, THAT MEANS HE MAY NOT LET YOU GUYS PUT SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. OR IF HE DOES, IT MIGHT COME UP TWO MONTHS FROM NOW BECAUSE IT WAS VOTED ON. IT'S WRONG. BUT HE WAS CORRECT. THE MINUTE IT COMES UP, YOU WANT IT THE NEXT MEETING. IT SHOULD BE THERE AND START DISCUSSING IT. YEAH. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ANSWER EVERYTHING IN THAT NEXT MEETING, BUT NOW YOU'RE WORKING ON IT TO GET IT RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

MARILYN REIMS. GO AHEAD. GOOD EVENING. I'M MARILYN REIMS. I WASN'T GOING TO SPEAK, BUT I'M A RESIDENT OF CYPRESS. I WANT TO SPEAK TO THE ISSUE OF ITEM NINE. I THINK THE THING THAT IS FRUSTRATING ME IS THE FOLKS THAT COME UP AND THAT LEVEL, ALL OF THIS BLAME. AND IT IS SO FRUSTRATING TO ME WHEN FACTS ARE NOT ARE NOT REAL. I MEAN, THIS OUR MAYOR, MAYOR BURKE, WAS PASSED OVER WHEN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE MAYOR PRO TEM. SO LET'S GET THAT STRAIGHT. HE'S MAYOR NOW, BUT HE WAS PASSED OVER, SO THINGS CHANGED AND IT MAKES ME FURIOUS WHEN I SEE PEOPLE LEVELING ALL OF THESE ACCUSATIONS AT HIM OR BLAMING HIM. YOU KNOW, THINGS WERE CHANGED AND THE COUNCIL DID CHANGE. THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL DID CHANGE THE WAY ITEMS WERE BROUGHT TO THE AGENDA, BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF A FORM OF PUNISHMENT. THAT WAS TRUE. BUT THAT'S IN THE PAST. IT IS IN THE PAST, AND THIS IS A NEW YEAR. IT'S A NEW COUNCIL WITH WONDERFUL PEOPLE. EVERY ONE OF YOU SITTING UP ON THAT DAIS ARE GOOD, DECENT, KIND AND LOVING PEOPLE. AND I ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE WITH EVERY FIBER OF MY SOUL THAT EVERY ONE OF YOU WANT TO DO THE BEST FOR THE CITY OF CYPRESS, FOR THE RESIDENTS OF CYPRESS, I THINK THAT THAT MAYOR BURKE'S PROPOSAL IS A GOOD ONE TO RETURN THE ABILITY FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ADD AN AGENDA ITEM. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW WHY THAT'S SUCH A DIFFICULT THING FOR ME. IT IT ABSOLUTELY DOES INCREASE THE ABILITY FOR ANYONE SITTING UP THERE THAT HAS HAS AN IMPORTANT IDEA THAT MAY HAVE JUST BEEN BROUGHT. I MAY HAVE CALLED COUNCIL MEMBER PETE WITH A REALLY URGENT, SOMETHING URGENT THAT'S HAPPENED IN THE COMMUNITY AND ASKING FOR HER OR NOTIFYING ALL OF YOU THAT THIS THING CAME UP. AND CAN WE PLEASE ADDRESS IT AT THE COUNCIL? AND I JUST DON'T SEE THE NEGATIVES IN IT. MAYBE

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I'M LOOPY, BUT I DON'T I DON'T SEE IT AS BEING SOMETHING BAD. SO GOOD EVENING TO EVERYBODY.

THANK YOU, MADAM CITY CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY ONLINE SPEAKERS? YES, WE DO HAVE TWO HANDS RAISED. THE FIRST IS ED KRAMER. OKAY, MR. KRAMER, IF YOU CAN HEAR US, PLEASE. YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS ED KRAMER. I LIVE IN CYPRESS. LONG TERM RESIDENT OF CYPRESS. I LIKE TO SPEAK ON ITEM NINE IN FAVOR OF ITEM NINE. I SUPPORT THIS, I THINK IT'S GOOD POLICY. IT'S BRIEF. PREVIOUS. IT'S BRIEF, CONCISE AND WELL WRITTEN. AND PREVIOUS MAJORITY COUNCIL CHANGED THE ABILITY OF CONCERNED PUBLIC AND COUNCIL MEMBERS TO CONTROL THE AGENDA. AND THEY GAVE MORE CONTROL TO THE CITY MANAGER, WHO SHOULD HAVE LITTLE, IF ANY, INPUT TO THE AGENDA. THIS NEW POLICY, IT'S NOT ONLY EASY TO READ, BUT IT ALLOWS.

MEMBERS CAN EASILY BRING ITEMS WITH WITH ONLY ONE BACKER. IT'S NOT JUST FRIVOLOUS, IT NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF SUPPORT. THE ITEM GOES ON THE AGENDA AND RESIDENTS WILL SEE IT AND CAN ATTEND AND SUPPORT OR SPEAK TO IT, AND THE ITEM IS DISCUSSED AND DECIDED IN THE MEETING IN A REGULAR MEETING. SO IT'S PERFECT. MAYOR. MAYOR BURKE'S PROPOSAL. REMEDIES THE ISSUE OF COMPLEXITY AND SOME OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED IN, YOU KNOW, WE DID SOME GATEKEEPING IN THE LAST COUPLE OF COUNCILS. WE'VE CLOSED MEETINGS TO THEY SHOULD BE OPEN. BOTH OF THEM SHOULD BE OPEN REMOTELY. YOU KNOW, JUST IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT WENT TOWARDS REDUCING CITIZENS OR COUNCIL PEOPLE'S ABILITY TO, TO BRING ISSUES TO THE CITY. SO THIS HELPS TO REMEDY SOME OF THOSE ISSUES. IT'S AN OPEN AND AGILE AGENDA PROCESS. IT'S CONCISE AND BRIEF. IT'S GOOD POLICY AND IT RECTIFIES RECENT BAD POLICY CHANGES. SO I HIGHLY SUPPORT MAYOR BURKE'S PROPOSAL. THANKS. THANK YOU, MADAM CITY CLERK. YES, MR. MAYOR, OUR NEXT HAND RAISE IS BY GLENN BUTTON. OKAY, MR. BUTTON, YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. GOOD EVENING. I'M GLENN BUTTON.

WHEN I'M NOT COUGHING AS MUCH, I ATTEND IN PERSON, BUT I'M RIGHT ABOUT 2 OR 3 WEEKS SHY OF BEING A 30 YEAR RESIDENT OF THIS FINE CITY. AND I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS ITEM NINE, WHICH IS A CONCERN IN THE THINGS THAT GOT TAKEN OUT OF THIS POLICY, THIS PUBLIC POLICY. ONE LARGE ITEM THAT GOT TAKEN OUT IS THE PARAGRAPH WHERE IT SAYS IN DECEMBER, EVERY DECEMBER, THE CITY COUNCIL ADOPTS A MEETING CALENDAR FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR THAT PROVIDES THE COUNCIL MEMBERS OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING IMPORTANT ISSUES TO THE CITY COUNCIL'S ATTENTION AT OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS. THESE ARE TWO IN FEBRUARY, ONE IN MARCH, ONE IN THE MAY OR JUNE, OR TWO IN THE MAY OR JUNE TIME FRAME, AND ONE IN SEPTEMBER. AND I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY PLANS FOR. REINSTATING OR MAINTAINING THOSE SIX OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WERE PART OF THIS POLICY. I WOULD BE VERY CONCERNED TO HAVE THAT. PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT DISCONTINUED. VERY CONCERNING.

LOOKING DOWN THROUGH THE REST OF THE POLICY. BE EASY TO UNDERSTAND AND EXPLAIN. THAT WAS MAINTAINED. RESPECT THE ORGANIZATION'S LIMITED RESOURCES, WHICH AS A TAXPAYER, I LIKE IT WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL, WHEN THE CITY STAFF APPRECIATES THE FACT THAT WE, THE TAXPAYERS, HAVE A FINITE BUDGET AND RESPECTING OF THE ORGANIZATION'S LIMITED RESOURCES IS AN ESSENTIAL PART OF THAT. AND ON THE WHOLE, NOTION OF THE INTERACTION BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND THE CITY STAFF, INCLUDING THE CITY MAYOR, I HAVE NEVER KNOWN A SUCCESSFUL LARGE CORPORATION THAT HAD A BOARD OF DIRECTORS THAT DID NOT WORK WELL WITH THEIR EXECUTIVE LEADERSHIP,

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THEIR CEO, AND OTHER. LISTED OFFICERS. SO TO NOT HAVE THAT THAT DIALOG, THAT OPEN EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION AND EXPERIENCE AND WISDOM TO DISCONTINUE THAT THE EXISTING POLICY REFERENCES THE CITY MANAGER SEVEN TIMES. THE NEW POLICY ONLY MENTIONS THE CITY MANAGER ONCE AND ONLY IN THE INTRODUCTION, AND TO FIRST A CITY COUNCIL. BASICALLY THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS TO NOT PRIORITIZE THE EXPERIENCE. THE WISDOM THAT IS. THANK YOU, MR. BUTTON. CAN YOU PLEASE FINISH UP YOUR TIME'S UP? OH, OKAY. SO BALANCING THERE WAS ONE OTHER ONE THAT WAS REMOVED OF PROTECTING THE CITY COUNCIL'S ABILITY TO EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY CONDUCT BUSINESS.

THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE THINGS THAT GOT REMOVED. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO ANSWER ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS REALLY QUICKLY, MR. BUTTON. AND FOR ANYBODY IN THE ROOM, THE NEW AGENDA POLICY WOULD NOT REMOVE ANY EXISTING MEETINGS. ALL OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS WOULD STILL EXIST. THIS IS JUST A DIFFERENT POLICY FOR HOW COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN BRING ITEMS FORWARD. MADAM CITY CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER HANDS RAISED ONLINE? OKAY. THAT MOVES

[ CONSENT CALENDAR All matters listed on the Consent Calendar are to be approved with one motion unless a Council Member requests separate action on a specific item. Council Members voting no or abstaining on a Consent Calendar item may do so without removing the item from the Consent Calendar.]

US TO THE CONSENT CALENDAR. ALL MATTERS LISTED ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR ARE TO BE APPROVED WITH ONE MOTION, UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER REQUESTS SEPARATE ACTION ON A SPECIFIC ITEM. COUNCIL MEMBERS VOTING NO OR ABSTAINING ON A CONSENT CALENDAR ITEM MAY DO SO WITHOUT REMOVING THE ITEM FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR. DO ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES WISH TO PULL AN ITEM OR HAVE QUESTIONS OR REMARKS ABOUT AN ITEM? COUNCIL MEMBER MINIKUS JUST A QUICK NOTE ON AGENDA ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. THE WARRANT REGISTER INCLUDES ELECTRONIC EXCUSE ME, FUND TRANSFER NUMBER 16054 IN THE AMOUNT OF $308.53 AND ELECTRONIC FUND TRANSFER NUMBER 16281, IN THE AMOUNT OF AGAIN $308.53 AS REIMBURSEMENT FOR MEDICAL COVERAGE. I'M ENTITLED TO RECEIVE AS A CALPERS ANNUITANT IN VOTING FOR ANY MOTION TO APPROVE THE WARRANT REGISTER. I AM NOT VOTING ON ELECTRONIC FUND TRANSFER 16054 AND 162816 FOR THE REASONS I HAVE JUST DISCLOSED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. DO ANY OF MY OTHER COLLEAGUES HAVE A QUESTION OR WISH TO PULL AN ITEM? YEAH, I'M GOING TO PULL ITEM NUMBER THREE. OKAY. ITEM NUMBER THREE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OKAY. THEN I MOVE TO APPROVE CONSENT CALENDAR ITEMS ONE TWO AND FOUR THROUGH EIGHT. I'M SORRY. ONE MORE COMMENT IF I MAY. THANK YOU. ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, APPROVE PLANS AND SPECIFICATIONS AND AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR TRAFFIC SIGNAL IMPROVEMENTS AT VALLEY VIEW STREET AND PLAZA DRIVE, WHICH IS PROJECT NUMBER 353. IF THERE'S ANYBODY CONCERNED OUT THERE ABOUT WHERE THIS MONEY IS COMING FROM TO PAY FOR THIS NEW UPGRADE TO THE TRAFFIC SIGNAL, THIS WAS IN AGREEMENT THAT THE GOODMAN COMPANY PROVIDE THIS MONEY FOR AT NO COST TO THE CITY. SO JUST IN CASE THERE'S ANY ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THAT MONEY IS COMING FROM, IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE CITIZENS TAX DOLLARS. IT'S COMING FROM THE DEVELOPER. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THERE'S A MOTION TO APPROVE THE BALANCE OF THE CONSENT CALENDAR. IS ANYONE WILLING TO SECOND SECOND THAT MOTION? OKAY. LOCK IN YOUR VOTES. THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. WAY TO GO. ALL

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RIGHT. ITEMS REMOVED FROM THE CONSENT CALENDAR. COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG. THANK YOU I DON'T KNOW.

ITEM NUMBER THREE IS ABOUT OUR LEGISLATIVE PLATFORM WHEN IT COMES TO FEDERAL AND STATE MATTERS. FROM MY KNOWLEDGE, THE LEGISLATIVE PLATFORM SERVES AS A GUIDELINE FOR THE CITY TO PRIORITIZE KEY ISSUES THAT IMPACT THE COMMUNITY. IT HELPS CONSERVE TIME, RESOURCES, AND MONEY BY ENSURING EFFICIENT DECISION MAKING. ADDITIONALLY, THE PLATFORM PROMOTES TRANSPARENCY BY CLEARLY STATING WHERE THE CITY STANDS ON CERTAIN ISSUES. IT ENABLES THE CITY TO

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MONITOR LEGISLATION THAT MAY AFFECT ITS OPERATIONS AND RESIDENTS. I LOOKED AT SEVERAL OTHER CITIES LIKE IRVINE, ANAHEIM, FULLERTON, BUENA PARK JUST TO KIND OF SEE WHAT THEY WERE DOING. OURS IS A BIT ON THE LONGER SIDE, SO I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN CONDENSE IT. WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF CATEGORIES TO. SO IF THIS IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO CONDENSE IT, THEN I'M NOT SURE IF WE WANT TO TAKE EACH ITEM LINE BY LINE. OH, IT'S I MEAN IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO DIVE IN. OKAY. YEAH, I, I REALLY WANTED US TO NARROW THIS DOWN THAT WAY. WE DIDN'T. WE WOULDN'T WASTE TOO MUCH STAFF TIME THROUGHOUT THE YEAR ON ITEMS THAT WEREN'T AS GREAT A PRIORITY AS OTHER ITEMS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT TO PULL IT UP FOR LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES UNDER COMMUNITY SERVICES, OPPOSED STATE LEGISLATION THAT MIGHT LIMIT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ABILITY TO COLLECT OR ALLOCATE PARK IN LIEU FEES. I DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS AS IMPORTANT AS OTHER ONES. BASICALLY, THIS IS WHENEVER WE HAVE A NEW HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, WE'RE REQUIRED TO BUILD A PARK NEXT TO IT. IS THAT RIGHT? AND SO INSTEAD OF COLLECTING BUILDING A PARK, WE'RE ABLE TO COLLECT FEES THAT WE MIGHT USE FOR OTHER CITY SERVICES THAT WE SEE AS BEING MORE IMPORTANT. I THINK AS A GENERAL, I MEAN, WE'RE PRETTY PRO PARK, AND SO I WOULDN'T SEE THIS HAPPENING TOO OFTEN, BUT I DIDN'T THINK THIS WAS A PRIORITY COMPARED TO OTHER ONES. USUALLY THE BIG PRIORITIES FOR CYPRUS IS REALLY MAINTAINING LOCAL CONTROL AND VERSUS, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF STATE OR FEDERAL MANDATES THAT GET PASSED DOWN TO OUR CITY. OKAY. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE PERHAPS YOU HAVE OTHER SUGGESTIONS AS WELL, BUT MAYBE WOULD YOU PREFER THAT I OPEN IT UP FOR ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS REGARDING THE ITEM YOU HIGHLIGHTED, OR WOULD YOU WANT TO CONTINUE THROUGH? DO YOU GUYS WANT ME TO JUST GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM AND WE CAN DECIDE IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW THEM ALL OR GO LINE BY LINE WITH THAT. THAT'S.

GO AHEAD. SO JUST USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE, THE FIRST ONE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T SUPPORT THAT. NO NO NO OKAY. SORRY. NO WE JUST WANT CLARITY. IF YOU REMOVE IT IT DOESN'T MEAN. AND WE'LL GO THROUGH ALL OF THEM WHATEVER WHATEVER ONES YOU WANT TO DO. BUT I GUESS THE QUESTION OR THE CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS THE REASON OURS IS PROBABLY LONGER IS WE PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SUPPORT AND MAYBE DON'T SUPPORT. AND SO WE BASICALLY PUT IT OUT THERE FOR THE COMMUNITY AND FOR PEOPLE THAT ASK FOR OUR SUPPORT. LET'S JUST SAY, AND THEY PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHERE WE STAND, RIGHT? IF WE START PICKING AND CHOOSING AND SAYING, WELL, I DON'T REALLY WANT TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME THERE OR DOING THIS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO LEAVE IT UP TO I'LL CALL IT THE CITY MANAGER IN THIS CASE, TO MAKE A PERSONAL DECISION. I DON'T BACK TO WHAT SOME PEOPLE SAID IS WE CLEARLY PUT IT OUT THERE SO WE KNOW WHAT WE STAND FOR OR NOT. SO IF YOU DON'T STAND FOR THAT, THEN JUST SAY I WANT THAT ONE DELETED.

OKAY. BUT I WOULD NOT SUGGEST WE GO IN AND PICK AND CHOOSE. I WOULD GO FOR I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD STAND FOR EX WHATEVER, WHATEVER THE EX THAT YOU WANT DELETED. THAT'S HOW I THINK I WOULD APPROACH IT VERSUS SAYING, I DON'T THINK THIS ONE'S AS IMPORTANT AS NUMBER TWO, THREE AND FOUR BECAUSE I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THIS ONE'S MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT ONE. WE'RE TRYING TO SAYING IS, WHICH ARE THE ONES THAT THE CITY SUPPORTS ACROSS VARIOUS TOPICS.

AND THERE'S THERE ARE A LOT OF TOPICS, NO QUESTION. SO THAT'S HOW I WOULD RECOMMEND, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO ADD SOME CONFUSION IF YOU SAY, WELL, LET'S TAKE THAT ONE OUT AND THEN IT'S GOING TO SAY, WELL, DO YOU SUPPORT THINGS IN COMMUNITY SERVICE AND WHAT IS IT THAT YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO SUPPORT? SO IN OTHER WORDS, I'M NOT I'M NOT FOR DELETING THAT OKAY. BUT IF YOU HAVE SOME MODIFIED WORDS THAT MIGHT SUIT IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, I'D BE GLAD TO LISTEN TO THOSE. SO I DID WANT TO I TRIED TO THE REASON I'M IN FAVOR OF JUST DELETING THEM, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME THAT I FELT ARE VERY POLITICAL IN NATURE, OR COULD BE CONSTRUED AS BEING PARTIZAN IN NATURE, AND I DIDN'T WANT US TO KIND OF OPEN THAT CAN OF WORMS AND START DEBATING THOSE, THOSE SPECIFIC ITEMS. SO THAT'S WHY I'M KIND OF IN FAVOR OF JUST DELETING THEM.

THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO REALLY ADDRESS THOSE CONTENTIOUS ITEMS. FOR EXAMPLE, ONE MIGHT BE LET ME SEE. THE ONES ON THE SECOND ONE I WAS LOOKING AT UNDER ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, OPPOSED

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LEGISLATION THAT IMPOSES UNDUE HARDSHIP ON LOCAL AGENCIES TO IMPLEMENT ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS. THIS ONE I FELT LIKE THERE WAS A LOT OF SUBJECTIVITY WHEN IT COMES TO UNDUE HARDSHIPS, AND I AND I DIDN'T WANT US TO KIND OF GO INTO THAT DEBATE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE'S A IF THE STATE LIST GIVES A LIST OF 50 PESTICIDES THAT THEY DON'T WANT USING AND THAT FOR SOME REASON DOUBLES OUR COST OF, YOU KNOW, GETTING RID OF ADMINISTERING WHATEVER METHODS WE USE TO GET RID OF PESTS. LIKE, I WOULDN'T WANT US TO OPPOSE THAT KIND OF LEGISLATION, EVEN THOUGH THAT IS EFFECTIVELY DOUBLING OUR COST OF GETTING RID OF PESTS. AND SO IN THAT SITUATION, I THINK IT'S BEST WE JUST DELETE THIS ITEM INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH SIDE WE STAND ON. EACH ITEM. THE SAME WITH OPPOSED WASTE AND RESOURCE RECOVERY MEASURES. IMPOSING STATE MANDATED COSTS WHERE THERE IS NO GUARANTEE OF LOCAL COST RECOVERY OR OFFSETTING BENEFIT, THERE MIGHT NOT BE. THAT ONE I FEEL IS VERY POLITICAL BECAUSE THERE MIGHT NOT BE FINANCIAL OFFSETTING BENEFIT, BUT THERE ARE LIKE PUBLIC HEALTH BENEFITS OR IT COULD BE CLEANER AIR, CLEANER WATER, SOIL HEALTH, QUALITY OF LIFE, YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF BENEFITS. SO FOR THAT, I FELT LIKE WE SHOULD DELETE IT INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH WAY WE STAND ON THOSE ITEMS. I DON'T IT'S NOT A DISCUSSION BETWEEN YOU AND I, BUT I THINK WE SEE IT DIFFERENTLY. OKAY. AND MAYBE, MAYBE WE NEED TO PUT THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA ITEM. BECAUSE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHAT YOUR PROPOSED LANGUAGE MIGHT BE FOR CHANGE. OR I WANT TO DELETE THIS ONE, THIS ONE, THIS ONE. AND THE REASON I SAY THIS IS IF YOU NOTICE THROUGH MOST OF THIS, IT'S KEEPING LOCAL CONTROL, RIGHT. IT'S SAYING, HEY, DON'T LET'S NOT HAVE EXTERNAL FORCES MANDATE HOW WE HAVE TO HAVE ALL ELECTRIC VEHICLES, WHEN IN FACT THAT MAY NOT SUIT OUR BUSINESS AND IT MAY BE INEFFECTIVE OR COST EFFECTIVE OR NOT COST EFFECTIVE FOR US TO DO THAT.

OKAY. AND MAYBE WE HAVE TO HAVE A PLAN FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS OR SOMETHING. AND I THINK IT'S IF AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A IT'S ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, I JUST THINK IT'S THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A LOT OF THESE ARE FOR LOCAL CONTROL, WHICH IS WHAT MOST CITIES WANT, OKAY. VERSUS SAYING, WELL, IF IT'S STATE MANDATED, THEN THAT WE MUST HAVE TO DO IT. I DON'T HAVE THAT PERSPECTIVE. I WANT TO KEEP IT LOCAL AND JUST SAYING NO, LET US MANAGE IT AND THEN WE'LL FIGURE OUT HOW TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT. BUT DON'T TELL US HOW TO DO IT. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I APOLOGIZE AGAIN IS IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH DETAIL OR THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE I'D LIKE TO SEE A DRAFT OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. SO I HAVE MORE TIME TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT AND NOT JUST DO ONE ON ONE, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF IT HAS TO DO WITH JUST THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOCAL CONTROL AND STATE MANDATES. I'LL SAY IT THAT WAY. IF I MAY, MAYOR, JUST TO THANK YOU, JUST TO HIGHLIGHT A POINT ON THE FIRST POINT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CHIANG, YOU MENTIONED UNDER ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, UNDER THE CALIFORNIA ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ACT, SEQUA WE THIS COUNCIL IS AUTHORIZED TO IMPOSE WHAT ARE CALLED MITIGATION MEASURES. SO LET'S SAY A PROJECT COMES TO THE CITY. YOU HAVE THE ABILITY UNDER SEQUA THE STATE LAW THAT IMPLEMENTS THE ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY REGULATIONS TO IMPOSE, WHETHER THEY BE TRAFFIC CONTROL MEASURES, MEASURES TO ADDRESS AIR QUALITY IMPACTS TO THE EXTENT, FOR EXAMPLE, DURING LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION PHASE, THERE ARE MEASURES TO AVOID IDLING OF TRUCKS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. MY SENSE IS THIS WAS TARGETED TO ALLOW THE CITY TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT SO THAT WE HAVE THAT CONTROL. I THINK IT DOES FALL UNDER THE CATCHALL OF MAINTAINING LOCAL CONTROL, AND PERHAPS TO THE POINT THAT WAS RAISED. IT'S SORT OF FINE TUNING IT. SO YOUR CITY MANAGER AND STAFF KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS IN MIND, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT OTHER EXAMPLE TO CONSIDER. THANK YOU. YES. SO MY THOUGHTS ARE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON WHAT I'M HEARING BETWEEN COUNCIL MEMBER PETE AND CHIANG, YOU KNOW, ON THE ONE HAND, I THINK YOU'RE BOTH MAKING GOOD POINTS. YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER CHIANG, I CAN SEE HOW IF YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE REGULATIONS OR SOME OF THESE, I GUESS, LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES, AND JUST FOR CONTEXT, A LOT OF THESE HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE AT VARIOUS TIMES THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF CYPRUS. IT'S NOT AS IF EVERY COUNCIL WRITES THEIR OWN BY SCRATCH, AND SOME ARE JUST THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS

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AND SOME ARE PROBABLY MORE RECENT. I COULD CERTAINLY SEE HOW SOME ARE ON THE MORE SUBJECTIVE SIDE. AND THEN MAYBE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT SURE IF THAT'S A GOOD OR A BAD THING, IS IT? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL AND SAY, WELL, IS THIS UNDUE HARDSHIP OR IS THIS ENOUGH OF AN OFFSETTING BENEFIT? AND SO I CAN SEE YOUR POINT ABOUT THAT, OR PERHAPS ABOUT JUST BEING MORE CONCISE. BUT I ALSO I AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER PETE ABOUT THE FOCUS ON LOCAL CONTROL. AND THEN ALSO JUST THAT IT'S HELPFUL TO HAVE A DRAFT OR PROPOSED EDITS IN FRONT OF ALL OF US. IF WE WERE GOING TO KIND OF DIVE INTO THAT. AND SO I THINK IT'S REALLY A QUESTION FOR US AT THIS POINT WHETHER WE WANT TO MAYBE GO THAT ROUTE OF CONTINUING THIS AND THEN TRYING TO DIVE IN IN MORE DETAIL AND LOOK MORE CLOSELY AT IT. OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE COULD ALWAYS MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS IS OR WITH ONE MINOR CHANGE. SO COUNCIL MEMBER CHIANG, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY RAISE THIS ITEM. SO I'LL SORT OF LET YOU STEER IT A BIT IF YOU LIKE.

YEAH, I ACTUALLY THINK THIS WOULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME IF WE WENT OVER EACH ITEM ONE BY ONE.

SO I PROPOSE THAT WE FIND A WAY TO POSTPONE THIS. OR, YOU KNOW, MAYBE I'LL SEND OUT A COPY OF MY SUGGESTED EDITS TO EVERYBODY AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE. YEAH, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DANGER OF PROVIDING THAT TO THE COUNCIL BEFOREHAND, IF YOU'D LIKE TO PROVIDE IT TO YOUR CITY MANAGER.

AND COUNCIL IS OKAY WITH THAT, THEN PERHAPS THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED AS YOUR SUGGESTION.

THAT GOES TO THE FULL COUNCIL, ALBEIT YOU WON'T HAVE AS MUCH TIME TO REVIEW IT, BUT THAT COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY UNLESS YOUR CITY MANAGER HAS A DIFFERENT SUGGESTION. OKAY. AND TO DO THAT, I BELIEVE, WOULD REQUIRE A MOTION AND A SECOND, YOU COULD SIMPLY JUST NOT TAKE ACTION AND DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO COME BACK WITH THIS ITEM AT THE NEXT MEETING AND INCLUDE SUGGESTIONS BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHIANG. WELL, OKAY, I'D LIKE TO MAYBE INFORMALLY PULL THE REST OF MY COLLEAGUES WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE. I HAVE TO AGREE WITH COUNCIL MEMBER PETE.

IF DOING THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING, KYLE IS IT'S GOING TO TAKE AWAY SOME OF OUR OR HAS THE POTENTIAL, I'LL SAY, TO REMOVE SOME OF OUR LOCAL CONTROL. AND ESPECIALLY HERE IN CALIFORNIA, THAT'S A PRIZED POSSESSION AMONGST COUNCIL COUNCILS AND CITIES ACROSS THE STATE. SO I PROPOSE THAT WE JUST VOTE ON IT NOW, AS IS AND MOVE FORWARD. YES. I'M SORRY, I JUST I MOTION THAT WE JUST VOTE ON IT AS IS IN THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. I'LL SECOND. YEP. YES. SO I SPOKE WITH THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT THIS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR PRETTY MUCH A DECADE. AND SO THERE HASN'T BEEN MUCH CHANGES TO IT. IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? OKAY. OKAY.

AND THESE ARE EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS IT'S A PLATFORM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THESE ARE SUGGESTIONS AND THAT THERE IF THERE ARE CONTROVERSIAL ISSUES, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT? EVEN THOUGH THE PLATFORM SAYS THIS, WE THINK WE SHOULD DO THIS INSTEAD. THIS DOESN'T LIMIT OUR ABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND CHANGE OUR ACTIONS IN THE FUTURE. CORRECT? THAT'S EXCUSE ME. THAT'S CORRECT. IF THERE'S LEGISLATION THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE GUIDANCE PROVIDED BY THE PLATFORM, AND WE NEEDED TO TAKE A POSITION ON LEGISLATION OR REGULATION THAT WOULD COME BEFORE THE CITY COUNCIL IF THERE WAS A BILL THAT A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTED TO ADD TO THE AGENDA FOR DELIBERATION TO TAKE A POSITION ON, WE COULD APPROACH IT THAT WAY. THE SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION THAT THE CITY OFFERS TO LEGISLATION AND REGULATIONS IS, I THINK THIS IS EXCLUSIVELY TRUE, EITHER GUIDED BY THE DETAILED ANALYSIS THAT THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES, WHICH IS OUR STATEWIDE ADVOCACY BODY, HAS DONE AND RECOMMENDS, OR AT THE REQUEST OF THE AUTHOR OF A BILL, TYPICALLY, IF IT'S ONE OF OUR LOCAL LEGISLATORS AND THAT IS ACCOMPANIED BY STAFF ANALYSIS BEFORE ANY ADVOCACY IS UNDERTAKEN. OKAY, OKAY. BECAUSE THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I THOUGHT YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT EARLIER. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, ELECTRIC VEHICLES. IT SOUNDS

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GREAT TO REPLACE THINGS WITH ELECTRIC VEHICLES, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF THE CURRENT VEHICLE IS WORKING FINE, WHY DON'T WE CONTINUE TO GO AHEAD AND OPERATE THE VEHICLE AND HIT POSTPONE ON IMPLEMENTING SOME STATEWIDE LEGISLATION WHERE IT DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE OR JUST LOGICAL SENSE. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS HAS SERVED US WELL OVER THE PAST TEN YEARS. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, DOCTOR CHIANG AND I DO AGREE THAT IT DOES SEEM A LITTLE BIT POLITICAL. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IF I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO AHEAD AND MAINTAIN LOCAL CONTROL, TAKE INPUTS FROM THE EXECUTIVE STAFF EXECUTIVE TEAM AND GO AHEAD AND REFLECT AND SEE WHAT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT IS BEST FOR CYPRUS. I THINK KEEPING THIS THE WAY IT IS, EXAMINING IT FURTHER OFFLINE PERHAPS, AND THEN BUT GOING AHEAD AND APPROVING IT THE WAY IT IS KIND OF MAKES SENSE. THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS. SO WOULD THAT LEAD YOU MORE TO MOVING FORWARD AS IT IS TODAY, OR POSTPONING IT FOR A DISCUSSION IN THE NEAR FUTURE? I ALMOST WANT TO APPROVE IT TODAY, KNOWING THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND REVIEW IT SOME MORE. AND ONCE YOU GET SOME INPUT, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY POINTS YOU HAVE, DOCTOR CHIANG AND I KNOW THAT THIS EACH POINT CAN GO DEEPER AND DEEPER INTO MUCH LONGER DISCUSSION. SO TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE, PERHAPS JUST APPROVE IT NOW AND GO AHEAD AND MAYBE AT THE STRATEGIC DISCUSSION OR OTHER POINTS WITHIN THE YEAR, WE CAN BRING THIS UP AND TALK ABOUT IT AND REFINE IT SO WE CAN GO AHEAD AND UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE PERHAPS THERE IS SOME POINT TO HAVE THAT, LIKE, HEY, WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT WE SHOULD GO AHEAD AND MODIFY THIS, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE TEN YEARS. WE MAY BE MISSING SOMETHING. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ADDITIONAL DUE DILIGENCE ON LOOKING AT THIS. YEAH, I'LL BE HAPPY WITH THAT. IF WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE IT IN THE FUTURE. THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME OTHER THINGS LIKE YOU MENTIONED, BECAUSE IT IS TEN YEARS OLD, THERE ARE SOME BIT OUTDATED ONES, SUCH AS THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ONES. IT'S REALLY INTERESTING. THEY, THEY THAT WAS ACTUALLY SET UP BECAUSE AT THE TIME PEOPLE WERE WORRIED ABOUT CELL PHONE TOWERS AND KIND OF THIS IDEA OF RADIATION AND, AND 5G, YOU KNOW, AFFECTING US.

SO THAT'S ONE OF THE OLDER ONES, YOU KNOW, I WOULDN'T MIND LOOKING AT. AND IF YOU ALL WANT TO PROVIDE INPUT LIKE PUBLIC SAFETY, I THERE WERE QUITE A FEW CITIES THAT THEY WANTED TO STRENGTHEN THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH OTHER COUNTY PROGRAMS, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND WORKING WITH OTHER, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULDN'T MIND US LOOKING AT, TOO. SO, YEAH, I WOULDN'T MIND US LOOKING AT IT ANOTHER TIME. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW THIS, THERE WILL BE A 2026 STATE AND LEGISLATIVE PLATFORM IN THE FUTURE. SO I GUESS LONGEST CASE SCENARIO, WE COULD DEFINITELY REVISIT THINGS THOROUGHLY BY THEN, IF NOT BEFORE THEN. SO I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND. OKAY. THAT MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY. ALL RIGHT. ITEMS FROM CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS WE HAVE UPDATE THE POLICY FOR

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COUNCIL MEMBERS TO ADD ITEMS TO THE CITY COUNCIL AGENDA, WHICH WAS AGENDIZED BY ME. SO I PROPOSED A NEW POLICY FOR HOW COUNCIL MEMBERS CAN ADD ITEMS TO THE AGENDA FOR AN UPCOMING MEETING. I TRIED TO MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE. IT SAYS THAT IF A COUNCIL MEMBER WANTS TO PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA, THEY CAN BRING IT UP DURING A COUNCIL MEETING, AND IF ANOTHER COUNCIL MEMBER SECONDS IT, THEN IT GOES ON THE AGENDA OF A FUTURE MEETING AS REQUESTED. I CONSIDER THIS AN IMPROVEMENT UPON OUR CURRENT POLICY FOR A FEW REASONS. FIRST, I THINK IT SHOULD GIVE EVERYBODY COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAFF AND RESIDENTS MORE NOTICE OF ITEMS THAT APPEAR ON THE AGENDA FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS. SOMETIMES WHAT'S HAPPENED UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY IS THAT ITEMS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE POPPED UP ON THE AGENDA IN BETWEEN MEETINGS, WITH ONLY A FEW DAYS NOTICE, EVEN FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S IDEAL TO HAVE THINGS KIND OF COME UP AT THE 11TH HOUR LIKE THAT. I WANT ALL OF US TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO LOOK EVERYTHING OVER, THINK IT THROUGH THOROUGHLY. I WANT OUR RESIDENTS TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND WITH THE POLICY I DRAFTED, I FIGURED THAT IF WE DO IT THIS WAY, GENERALLY EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST TWO WEEKS NOTICE THAT SOMETHING'S GOING TO BE COMING UP ON THE AGENDA COUPLE WEEKS FROM NOW. SECOND, I ALSO THINK THE PROPOSED POLICY WILL ENCOURAGE MORE PUBLIC DISCUSSION. MANY OF US HAVE RECENTLY GONE THROUGH, OR WILL BE GOING THROUGH OUR ANNUAL ETHICS TRAININGS. AND ONE THING THEY REALLY HAMMER HOME IS GOVERNMENT IS THE PUBLIC'S BUSINESS. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S GREAT FOR RESIDENTS TO SEE AND HEAR WHEN A COUNCIL MEMBER IS PROPOSING AN AGENDA ITEM HERE, THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS HERE

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FROM OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS WHO MAY NOT BE SUPPORTIVE OR MAY BE SUPPORTIVE AND WHY, AND FURTHERMORE, I THINK IT'S JUST AS ONE COMMENTER SAID, IT'S GOOD TO HAVE A SIMPLE POLICY THAT'S EASY TO UNDERSTAND. I LIKED GETTING IT UNDER A PAGE, AND I THOUGHT THAT OVERALL, THIS WOULD HELP GIVE PEOPLE MORE NOTICE OF ITEMS, IMPROVE TRANSPARENCY BY LEADING TO MORE PUBLIC DISCUSSION, AND MINIMIZE SOME CONFUSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER AN ITEM GOES ON FOR THIS REASON OR ACTION OR WHAT HAVE YOU. THE LAST TWO THINGS I WANTED TO MENTION ARE IN THE EVENT OF AN EMERGENCY OR AN URGENT ITEM, WE ALREADY HAVE PROCESSES IN PLACE FOR EMERGENCY MEETINGS AND SPECIAL MEETINGS. SHOULD AN OCCASION LIKE THAT ARISE. AND OF COURSE, IF WE WERE TO ADOPT THIS POLICY, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU KNOW, EVERY SINGLE THOUGHT A COUNCIL MEMBER HAS WILL BE BROUGHT UP DURING A MEETING. THERE WILL STILL BE PLENTY OF THINGS WHERE A COUNCIL MEMBER WORKS DIRECTLY WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO ADDRESS A RESIDENT'S CONCERN, OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE. BUT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES COUNCIL DIRECTION AND DECISION MAKING, I THINK IT'D BE GREAT IF COUNCIL MEMBERS WERE TO BRING IT UP DURING A MEETING. SO OVERALL, I'M OPTIMISTIC THAT THE POLICY WOULD SERVE US WELL, AND I'LL OPEN IT UP TO MY COLLEAGUES TO SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS. COUNCIL MEMBER MINIKUS THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO VOTE ON THIS. I'M GOING TO SUPPORT THIS. BUT I HAVE CONCERNS. THAT THIS COULD EVOLVE INTO A WASTE OF TIME AND RESOURCES. MONEY HAS A POTENTIAL FOR ABUSE DOWN THE ROAD. NOT TO MENTION THE DISTRACTION TO CITY STAFF. SO THAT'S MY CAUTIONARY WORDS. I WOULD EXPECT THAT IF IT DOES GO DOWN THIS ROAD ROUTE, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S TO IF THINGS BECOME TOO TIME CONSUMING FOR STAFF BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF PEOPLE HERE AT THE CITY, RIGHT? THAT WE HAVE THAT OPTION TO REVISIT IT IN THE FUTURE. RIGHT? WHICH I WOULD EXPECT ALL OF US TO AGREE UPON. SOME PEOPLE MENTIONED COMMENTS ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER, AND WE HIRED THE CITY MANAGER. I TAKE THAT BACK. PAST COUNCILS HAVE HIRED THE CITY MANAGER. BECAUSE HE HAS A WEALTH OF VAST WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE AS TO WHY OR WHY NOT. A PROPOSED AGENDA ITEM IS A GOOD IDEA OR A BAD IDEA. IF ANYBODY KNOWS ME WELL, WHICH I'M GUESSING A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM DO, AND I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. BUT THE CITY MANAGER DOES NOT HAVE ANY INFLUENCE OVER ME. WHAT HE HAS IS KNOWLEDGE. FOR A DECADE PLUS TWO DECADES WORTH OF KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE THAT WE ALL LEAN ON PAST COUNCILS AND PRESENT COUNCIL. WHICH AGAIN, SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I WILL. I WILL TALK TO THE CITY MANAGER ABOUT SOMETHING. HE WILL GIVE ME HIS OPINION AND HIS KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERIENCE IN WHATEVER IT IS I BRING TO HIM. AND THEN I GO OUT AND DO MY OWN RESEARCH, AND THEN I FORM MY OWN OPINION AND VOTE ACCORDINGLY. WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CITY, BUT ALSO WHAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF RESIDENTS HERE IN THE CITY ARE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM. SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. WE HAVE AN AMAZING CITY MANAGER. HE IS RESPECTED BEYOND MEASURE THROUGHOUT ORANGE COUNTY AND EVEN LA COUNTY. HE'S PAST PRESIDENT OF THE CITY MANAGER'S ASSOCIATION HERE IN ORANGE COUNTY, AND HE'S VOTED UPON. HE WAS VOTED UPON FOR THAT POSITION BECAUSE OF HIS EXPERTISE. AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PETE. OKAY. JUST A JUST A COUPLE OF OBSERVATIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS, OKAY. ONE OF THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS OR IN DURING ORAL COMMUNICATIONS TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CLARIFICATION AND THE CURRENT POLICY THAT TALKS ABOUT UPCOMING MEETINGS. AND THAT WAS INTENDED

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TO BASICALLY HELP US AS COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT IF WE HAVE SOMETHING COMING UP ON A BUDGET OR WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT FOR CIP, THAT THERE ARE TIMES OF THE YEAR THAT WE TALK ABOUT IT, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T PUT IT OFF CYCLE, BUT IT ALSO GIVES THE AVENUE THAT WHEN THE CIP COMES UP IN FEBRUARY OR IN MAY OR JUNE, IT PROVIDES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO POSSIBLY HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT TOPIC, WHICH MEANS I DON'T NEED TO ADD THE AGENDA ITEM TODAY, BECAUSE I KNOW NEXT MONTH THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION ON CIP. SO THAT WAS WHY THAT WAS PROVIDED THERE. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE IN THE POLICY, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S PROVIDED THERE FOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS OKAY, TO UNDERSTAND THAT IF THEY HAVE A SPECIFIC TOPIC, THAT THERE MAY BE AN UPCOMING ITEM THAT CAN BE PUT ON FOR STRATEGY OR SOMETHING ELSE. OKAY, I DISAGREE, OKAY, THAT IT PROVIDES THAT, IT IMPROVES TRANSPARENCY.

AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE SCENARIO. THE SCENARIO IS I ADD AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE UPCOMING MEETING, AND I GET A SECOND VOTE AND NOT A THIRD VOTE, BUT A SECOND VOTE IN THE CURRENT POLICY, IT BECOMES A DISCUSSION TOPIC FOR THE NEXT MEETING. WE HAVE TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THIS DAIS THAT THEY LEARN EVERY TIME THEY COME INTO THE MEETING ABOUT SOME OF THE TOPICS. SO IN THE SCENARIO THAT I'M DESCRIBING, I COME IN SAYING THIS, IT'S A DISCUSSION TOPIC. THE NEXT MEETING, IT'S A DISCUSSION TOPIC, NOT SOMETHING WE VOTE ON. IT'S A DISCUSSION TOPIC. IT IS AN ITEM THAT ALLOWS ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO BECOME MORE AWARE, INFORMED, ETC. AT THAT TIME, THE COUNCIL CAN SAY, I WANT TO HAVE THIS ON THE NEXT AGENDA AS AN AGENDA ITEM WITH A REPORT THAT CAN GET APPROVED. NOW THINK ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAID. WE PUT IT ON THE AGENDA TODAY, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, GIVE OR TAKE, IT WILL BECOME A DISCUSSION ITEM, WHICH MEANS THE PUBLIC GETS TO HEAR THE OPEN DISCUSSION, WHAT THE DIALOG IS, THE PROS AND CONS, AND KIND OF WHERE WE ARE.

AND IF IT I'LL CALL IT MEETS THE CRITERIA OF I'LL CALL IT THREE VOTES, THEN IT BECOMES AN AGENDA ITEM TWO WEEKS LATER. AND THE GENERAL PUBLIC NOW, AS WELL AS THE COUNCIL MEMBER, HAS AN ADDITIONAL TWO WEEKS TO COME UP TO SPEED, DO THEIR INVESTIGATION BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY HEARD IN THE DISCUSSION. THEY CAN TALK TO CONSTITUENTS, THEY CAN GET THEIR FEEDBACK. IT GIVES MORE TIME AND TRANSPARENCY TO OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT RECOGNIZE THE ITEM WHEN IT'S WHEN IT COMES. AND I RECOMMEND SOMETHING THEY MAY NOT EVEN RECOGNIZE THE ITEM, OKAY, UNTIL THEY HEAR. AND IF I'M VOTING ON IT TONIGHT AND THEY THEY HEARD SOMETHING IN THE DISCUSSION RIGHT WHERE WE'RE VOTING, THEY'D SAY, OH, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I WISH I COULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SAID MORE, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE IT INCLUDED THAT AS WELL. TO ME, IT TAKES AWAY THEIR RIGHT TO MAKE A COMMENT, AS WELL AS OUR ABILITY TO DO A DEEPER DIVE. SO WHEN I LOOK INTO WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS HAPPENING IS THERE'S A RECOMMENDATION TO NO LONGER THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. AND I DON'T THINK THERE WAS A LOT THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, BUT THERE WAS A FEW MOST OF THE TIMES IT WAS RELATED TO A MAYOR COMING IN AND POSSIBLY ADDING SOMETHING TO THE AGENDA THAT THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. SO WE'RE SAYING GET RID OF THROUGH A CITY MANAGER. OKAY, SO EVERYTHING IS UP FOR US TO LOOK AT IN THE DAIS. I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD THING. AND ESPECIALLY WITH TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD THING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IN THE FIRST TOPIC AND THEN MOVE IT TO AN AGENDA ITEM. IT GIVES THEM MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE TOPIC, RATHER THAN JUST COMING IN TONIGHT AND VOTING ON IT. OKAY? JUST LIKE JUST LIKE THIS POLICY, I THINK IT TAKES AWAY FROM SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS AND THE ABILITY OF THE RESIDENTS TO REALLY HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE VOTING ON. OKAY. CITY MANAGER, I TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH SOME OF WHAT THE RESIDENTS SAY. I APOLOGIZE, I HAVE WORKED IN AN ENVIRONMENT. I DO NOT WANT TO NEGOTIATE A CONTRACT. I DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT. I DID THAT FOR 30 YEARS. OKAY? I DEPEND ON OUR CITY MANAGER AND WITH BOUNDARIES, RIGHT? HE COMES IN AND WE TALK ABOUT THINGS AND WITH BOUNDARIES THAT HE HAS THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT HE IS QUALIFIED AND HE'S DEFINITELY MORE QUALIFIED THAN I AM WITH REGARDS TO CITY BUSINESS AND WHAT WE'RE NEGOTIATING. I JUST I

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GUESS I'M, I'M REALLY KIND OF ASKING IS WHY DOES THIS HAVE TO BE NOW? AND IF IT HAS TO BE NOW, THEN I'D REALLY LIKE TO FOR ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS TO REALLY UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK WE'RE TAKING AWAY SOMETHING FROM THE RESIDENTS, AND I HONESTLY THINK WE'RE TAKING SOMETHING AWAY FROM THE COUNCIL AS WELL. WE ARE NOT GIVING THE TIME THAT I THINK IT'S DUE FOR ITEMS THAT COME TO THE AGENDA, AND WE HAVE TWO NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND. THIS MOVE TO THE RIGHT A YEAR UNTIL THEY GET THEIR FEET ON THE GROUND AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT BEING ON THE COUNCIL LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT SOME OF THE ITEMS ARE. I'M NOT PROPOSING THAT, BUT THAT THAT'S WHEN I SAW THIS ON THE AGENDA. I WAS A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED BECAUSE I'M THINKING, HOW WOULD I, AS A NEW COUNCIL MEMBER TWO YEARS AGO, SAY, I DON'T HAVE A CLUE OF WHAT THIS MEANS, AND I THINK IT'S UNFAIR FOR THEM, AND I THINK IT'S UNFAIR FOR US TO BE ABLE TO VOTE ON IT RIGHT NOW. MY PERSPECTIVE. SO IF I'M GOING TO KEEP IF WE WANT TO RECOMMEND, I DO NOT RECOMMEND THE NEW ONE. IF WE WANT TO TAKE OUT THAT WE DON'T ADD ANYTHING THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER, OKAY. EVERYTHING WILL COME THROUGH CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL, BUT I STILL RECOMMEND THAT IF WE HAVE TWO VOTES THAT IT'S A DISCUSSION ITEM, IT DOES NOT MEAN IT DOESN'T GO TO AN AGENDA ITEM. IT JUST MEANS THAT IT MAY BE TWO WEEKS FURTHER THAN THAT AND IT JUST ALLOWS FOR DISCUSSION. SO IS THAT A MOTION TO POSTPONE THE VOTE? WELL THAT WOULD THAT WOULD THAT WAS MY ONE INITIAL REVIEW WHEN I HAD IT. IF EVERYBODY FELT LIKE WE HAD TO DO IT, THEN I THINK I WOULD MAKE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE CHANGE. SO YES, I'M GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT WE MOVE THIS OUT. LET'S JUST SAY SIX MONTHS, YOU KNOW, GIVE GIVE THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TIME TO GET THEIR FEET ON THE GROUND AND REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WHAT THE POLICY IS. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HINDER ANYTHING THAT WE HAVE GOING ON WITH THE CITY. THAT'S MY PERSPECTIVE. I'LL SECOND THAT. AND SO HOW DOES THIS WORK PROCEDURALLY? CAN TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS JUST MOVE ITEMS FOR SIX MONTHS? NO, THAT WOULD REQUIRE A VOTE. OKAY. BUT UNLESS THERE'S NO OBJECTION TO JUST TABLE THE ITEM. BUT THAT'S ESSENTIALLY NOT APPROVING IT. BUT I'M HEARING COUNCIL MEMBER PETE SUGGEST TABLING IT FOR SIX MONTHS. SO I WOULD SUGGEST A VOTE TO MAKE SURE THE COUNCIL IS ON BOARD. OKAY. WELL, BEFORE THIS VOTE, I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT WERE RAISED. SO ONE, I REALLY TAKE ISSUE WITH THE IDEA THAT THIS POLICY IS SOMEHOW LESS TRANSPARENT THAN THE CURRENT POLICY FOR A FEW REASONS. UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY, OFTENTIMES AGENDA ITEMS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD POP UP BETWEEN MEETINGS, NOT IN PUBLIC. A FEW DAYS BEFORE A MEETING, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE LEAST TRANSPARENT, TRANSPARENT WAY POSSIBLE. THE CURRENT THE NEW POLICY I'M PROPOSING ENCOURAGES PUBLIC DISCUSSION, WHERE EVERYBODY GETS TO SEE WHO'S PROPOSING AN ITEM. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW ANYONE COULD SAY THAT THE OLD POLICY OF PEOPLE PROPOSING ITEMS BEHIND CLOSED DOORS A FEW DAYS BEFORE A MEETING IS MORE TRANSPARENT. SECOND, I'VE HEARD COUNCIL MEMBER PETE RAISE CONCERNS ABOUT UNDER THE CURRENT POLICY, IT ALLOWS FOR A DISCUSSION AND THEN ACTION, AND IT GIVES EVERYBODY MORE TIME TO DEAL WITH IT, TO DISCUSS IT AND THINK ABOUT IT. BUT THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THAT EXACT PROCESS FROM PLAYING OUT UNDER THE NEW POLICY. COUNCIL MEMBER PETE, IF THERE WERE AN ITEM THAT YOU WANTED TO PROPOSE INITIALLY FOR DISCUSSION, YOU COULD DO THAT, AND THEN WE COULD DISCUSS IT. AND THEN AT THE FOLLOWING MEETING, YOU COULD PROPOSE TO MOVE IT FORWARD FOR ACTION. AND WE COULD DO THAT. YOU COULD PROPOSE TO DISCUSS IT FOR 3 OR 4 MEETINGS BEFORE TAKING ACTION. IF YOU FELT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE. SO THIS POLICY ALLOWS FOR THE EXACT TYPE OF DISCUSSION. THE PROPOSED POLICY ALLOWS FOR THE EXACT TYPE OF DISCUSSION THAT YOU'RE SAYING YOU WANT TO HAPPEN. LET ME TALK ABOUT A LITTLE BIT OF THE FLIP SIDE OF THE CURRENT POLICY, WHICH IS THAT IT TAKES A MAJORITY OF THE CITY COUNCIL TO JUST GET AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA

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FOR ACTION. IN OTHER WORDS, THE SAME AMOUNT OF PEOPLE YOU NEED TO PASS AN ITEM NEED TO AGREE JUST TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR PASSAGE. I THINK THAT'S EXTREMELY UNDEMOCRATIC AND DISRESPECTFUL OF MINORITY RIGHTS. ALL FIVE OF US WERE ELECTED IN A LOT OF CITIES. ONE COUNCIL MEMBER CAN PUT AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION BY THEMSELVES. AND IN ORDER TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EVERYBODY'S TIME AND ACKNOWLEDGE THE POLITICAL REALITY THAT IN SOME CITIES, THAT WOULD LEAD TO ONE PERSON JUST BRINGING UP A BUNCH OF USELESS STUFF OVER AND OVER AGAIN, I THOUGHT IT MADE MORE SENSE TO HAVE A PROCESS WHERE WE REQUIRED A SECOND TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA. BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF OTHER CITIES AND WHAT'S NORMAL, REQUIRING THREE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GET SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA FOR ACTION IS NOT NORMAL. IT'S AS I SAID, IT DOESN'T GIVE ANY MINORITY MEMBERS OF A COUNCIL SUFFICIENT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THEIR ITEMS PUBLICLY DISCUSSED. AND SO. I GUESS ONE OTHER QUESTION COUNCIL MEMBER PETE RAISED WAS, YOU KNOW, WHY NOW? OR WHY IS THIS IMPORTANT TO DO NOW? HERE'S ONE REASON I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT. I'VE BEEN ON THE COUNCIL FOR TWO YEARS. I GOT ZERO ITEMS ON THE AGENDA IN TWO YEARS UNDER THE POLICIES WE'VE HAD. I GOT ONE ITEM INTO THE STRATEGIC PLAN AND THEN IT GOT TAKEN OUT. DURING THE MEETING. AND I GOT TO TELL YOU, IT FEELS PRETTY AWFUL TO GET ELECTED TO OFFICE BY PEOPLE OF CYPRUS, TO HAVE PEOPLE COME TO YOU WITH THEIR CONCERNS AND TRY TO ADDRESS THEM, AND YOU CAN'T EVEN GET IT ON THE AGENDA AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THAT'S NOT HOW GOVERNMENT IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. AND I CERTAINLY DID NOT WANT COUNCIL MEMBER CHIANG AND MAYOR PRO TEM MEDRANO TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE OF GOING BACK TO THEIR CONSTITUENTS AND HAVING TO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT BEING ABLE TO DISCUSS ITEMS THAT THEY THOUGHT WERE IMPORTANT TO THEM. I WANT EVERYBODY TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. SO I CERTAINLY DO NOT SUPPORT PUTTING THIS OFF SIX MONTHS. AND AS COUNCIL MEMBER MINIKUS SAID, IF THIS LED TO PROBLEMS, THIS NEW POLICY WAS ADOPTED AND LED TO PROBLEMS, WE COULD ALWAYS RECONSIDER IT. BUT I THINK THE CURRENT POLICY WE'VE HAD HAS LED TO SOME PROBLEMS, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH THE NEW PROPOSAL. SO MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH IT NOW AND GIVE EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER A AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ITEMS FORWARD PUBLICLY AND HAVE THAT DISCUSSION IN FRONT OF ALL OUR RESIDENTS. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO RESPOND TO A COUPLE OF THE ITEMS. ONE IS WE MENTIONED ABOUT GOING THROUGH THE CITY MANAGER. GET THAT OUT. I'M OKAY. PUT THAT OUT. IF WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, USUALLY IT'S THE MAYOR WORKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, SO TAKE IT OUT. SECONDLY, DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING. IF WHY WOULDN'T SOMEBODY WANT THREE VOTES TO HAVE IT GET PUT ON THE AGENDA AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. YOU CAN GUARANTEE THAT IT'S GOING TO GET APPROVED IN THE NEXT MEETING. IF YOU HAVE THREE VOTES, YOU HAVE A MAJORITY FOR SOMETHING. IF YOU ONLY HAVE TWO, YOU DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO PASS OR NOT. YOU HAVE REALLY HONESTLY NO IDEA. AND THE PART THAT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY IS YOU HAVE A DISCUSSION TOPIC, YOU DISCUSS IT, THEN YOU PUT IT AGENDIZE IT FOR THE NEXT MEETING AND YOU COULD SAY, OH, THAT'S JUST AN EXTRA TWO WEEKS. IT GIVES PEOPLE ENOUGH TIME TO GET THEIR ARMS AROUND IT, MAKE SOME CHANGES IF THEY NEED TO HELP WHATEVER THAT PERSON BE SUCCESSFUL. IT IS NOT INTENDED TO SHOOT EVERYTHING DOWN. IT'S INTENDED THAT THERE WILL BE ENOUGH EDUCATION, THAT WE CAN HAVE ENOUGH PUBLIC INPUT. AND IN BETWEEN THE MEETINGS, RIGHT, WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ALL ARE EDUCATED ON WHAT THE TOPIC IS. IN THE SCENARIO YOU'RE PROPOSING, YOU'RE SUGGESTING I HAVE TWO VOTES. I'M AN AGENDIZE IT. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT TONIGHT, AND I'M GOING TO SAY, GOSH, I'M NOT EVEN SURE I FULLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS. I'M GOING TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS. BUT BOY, I SURE WOULD LIKE TO GO HOME AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSION. I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO DO THAT, AS WELL AS OUR RESIDENTS, TO BE ABLE TO COME IN AND SPEAK TO IT AS IT GETS

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AGENDIZED. SO THAT'S THAT COMMENT. THE LAST ONE IS, IS WHY NOW I REALLY HONESTLY, AS I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T SEE IT AS A BIG ISSUE. I REALLY DON'T I, I STILL IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS, I SUGGEST WE JUST MOVE IT. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO HIDE OR HINDER ANY, ANY NEW BUSINESS OR ANY NEW AGENDA THAT GOES ON THE AGENDA, BECAUSE IT'LL BE DISCUSSED ON THIS DAIS. OKAY.

AND YOU COME IN WITH A GOOD BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, A KIND OF A SUMMARY OF WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

AND IF IT MAKES SENSE, IT MAKES SENSE. DO IT. WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO IT? I'M JUST SAYING IS, LET'S GET OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO GET THEIR FEET ON THE GROUND, AS WELL AS LET'S MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO REALLY DO THE WORK THAT WE ASK. OR ARE RESIDENTS EXPECTED US TO DO. SO? THAT'S MY COMMENTS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I BELIEVE WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE TO POSTPONE THIS ITEM BY SIX MONTHS IN A SECOND. SO DO WE NEED A VOTE ON THAT? YEAH. UNLESS THERE'S A SUBSTITUTE MOTION, WE WOULD VOTE ON THAT MOTION. THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'LL MAKE A SUBSTITUTE MOTION TO APPROVE THE POLICY AS DRAFTED TODAY. WELL, I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY.

SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO APPROVE THE POLICY AS DRAFTED. AND THAT WOULD YOU WOULD VOTE NOW. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT TAKES PRIORITY OVER THE INITIAL MOTION.

AND THAT MOTION CARRIES WITH FOUR YES VOTES AND ONE NO VOTE BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETE. OKAY.

[ ORAL COMMUNICATIONS (Three minutes per speaker. The City Council may adjust the time allotted per speaker.) The public may address the City Council on any item within the subject matter jurisdiction of the City Council. Although Council Members may provide brief responses, the City Council may not discuss nor take action on items that are not on the agenda. Please complete a Speaker's Card to address the City Council in-person. Members of the public are encouraged to communicate with the City Council via email at adm@cypressca.org or by calling 714-229-6699.]

NEXT UP IS OUR SECOND ORAL COMMUNICATIONS PERIOD. MADAM CITY CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY SPEAKER CARDS? PAUL? CASINOS. OKAY. AGAIN, THIS IS ONE OF THE TIMES I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING A SECOND TIME, BUT I HAVE TO. I HAVE TO CHALLENGE THIS CONCEPT THAT. TRANSPARENCY IN THE PREVIOUS POLICY WAS BETTER, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH AN AGENDA ITEM BURIED IN THE AGENDA ABOUT GIVING THE CYPRESS COMMUNITY FESTIVAL A $5,000 PAYMENT IN EXCHANGE FOR THEM KILLING, CANCELING POLITICAL BOOTHS. THAT IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE. OKAY, NONE OF YOU BROUGHT THAT UP AHEAD OF THE MEETING OR THAT COUNCIL MEETING. IT JUST APPEARED ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT ABOUT BY THE CITY MANAGER AND WHATEVER FORCES WERE WORKING BEHIND HIM IN COOPERATION WITH OUR FORMER MAYOR. SO THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHY THIS NEW POLICY HAD TO BE IN PLACE. AND YOU MIGHT CONSIDER GOING A STEP FURTHER AND MAKING SURE THAT. TO THE ONE DEAL A WEEK OUT, WE HAVE A COMPLETE AGENDA SO THAT THOSE OF US WHO TAKE THE TIME TO READ IT AND COME TO THESE MEETINGS AND SPEAK HAVE PLENTY OF TIME. SO TRANSPARENCY, THE FACT THAT YOU COULD ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM DEFEND THE OLD POLICY? NO, IT WAS DONE TO PUNISH A SINGLE COUNCIL MEMBER WHO HAD DISSENTING VIEWS THAT THE THAT THE HISTORIC VOTING BLOC MAJORITY, OKAY DECIDED THEY DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR ANYMORE. SO YOU GOT RID OF IT. THE CURRENT WELL HAD THE PREVIOUS POLICY WAS WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL CABAL DEMOCRACY. AND I THINK THAT APPLIES TO NEEDING THREE VOTES TO AGREE TO PUT AN AGENDA ITEM FOR A VOTE. YOU'RE ALREADY CONTROLLING IT. I SEE IT FROM THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WHAT'S GUARANTEED TO PASS. NO, YOU

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CONTROL, YOU GATEKEEP WHAT THE FULL COUNCIL CAN VOTE ON. AND TODAY, EARLIER WE SAW A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF COOPERATIVE EFFORTS WHEN. MISS PETE YOU WERE ABLE TO SHARE OPENLY IDEAS WITH COUNCIL MEMBER CHANG. AND I BELIEVE THE FIVE OF YOU CAME TOGETHER POSITIVELY TO DECIDE TO HOLD FAST ON THE CURRENT LIST OF THINGS WE SUPPORT OR DON'T SUPPORT AS A CITY. SO IF YOU REQUIRE THREE PEOPLE AHEAD OF TIME, THAT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN BECAUSE THEN THE FULL COUNCIL DOESN'T GET TO SEE IT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SAY. CONGRATULATIONS ON THE GOOD PROACTIVE MOVE. AND AGAIN ON THIS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE IN ATTENDANCE LIKE TO SPEAK. I DO I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE A CARD MR. YOUNGSMA PLEASE. THANK YOU. ARE GOOD EVENING AGAIN. BOB YOUNG, A RESIDENT OF CYPRESS. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE COUNCIL ON THE LAST TWO MEETINGS. IT'S BEEN THE MOST PROFESSIONAL COUNCIL I THINK WE'VE HAD IN YEARS. THEY TALK. THEY MIGHT NOT. THEY MIGHT NOT AGREE, BUT THEY TALK. WE DON'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN UP THERE RANTING AND RAVING AND DOING THEIR NORMAL BS THAT THEY NORMALLY DO. I DON'T AGREE WITH STATING THAT THREE VOTES SHOULD BE DONE BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S SILLY. IT SHOULD BE TWO. I AGREE WITH THE TWO BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET ALL THE RIFF RAFF. AND IT WAS, IT WAS. THERE WAS NO ARGUMENT. WE HAD A COUNCIL MEMBER. SHE WAS BRINGING UP AGENDAS. FINALLY SOMEBODY GOT MAD AND SAYS, WAIT A MINUTE, BECAUSE SHE CAN PUT IT ON BY HERSELF. WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT CAPABILITY OUT OF HER HANDS. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. AND THAT WAS WRONG. AND I SAID, THAT WAS CHILDREN PLAYING. I'M TAKING MY FOOTBALL HOME BECAUSE I'M NOT WINNING THE GAME. YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE STUPID. I'M CONGRATULATING YOU. LIKE I SAID, I LIKE LISTENING TO PROS AND CONS. I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU GUYS AREN'T GOING TO DISCUSS.

ANYTHING THAT COMES UP WITH AN AGENDA ITEM, IT'S GOING TO COME UP, IT'S GOING TO GET DISCUSSED.

IT CAN GO BACK TO THE NEXT VOTE, IT CAN BE SHOT DOWN. BUT YOU GUYS ARE TALKING TONIGHT ABOUT WHAT YOU AGREE ON AND WHAT YOU DON'T. SCOTT SAID THINGS THAT HE'S WORRIED ABOUT IT GOING TO DO. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? HE VOTED THE RIGHT WAY. YOU KNOW, BONNIE BROUGHT UP ABOUT KYLE'S ISSUES.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE HANDS OF THE MANAGER. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IN YOUR HANDS. THAT'S WHERE IT'S AT. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE ELECTED TO DO. AND I APPRECIATE YOU DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND IT'S NOT NORMALLY THAT I LIKE TO SAY NICE THINGS ABOUT THE COUNCIL, BUT AT LEAST DURING THE LAST 3 OR 4 YEARS, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN VERY UPSET WITH THEM. I'M PROUD OF YOU GUYS. YOU GUYS ARE ACTING LIKE A COUNCIL. KEEP IT UP.

DON'T SIT THERE AND PLAY THE STUPID, SILLY GAMES. MR. MAYOR. DAVID, PROUD OF YOU THAT YOU NEEDED TO DO WHAT YOU DID. NOW YOU GOT TO GET THE OTHER SECTION OPEN BACK UP FOR EVERYBODY CAN SPEAK ONLINE TOO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF THERE ARE NO MORE COMMENT CARDS, I BELIEVE THAT

[ COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS FROM CITY-AFFILIATED BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND REMARKS Since the last City Council meeting, the following Regular Meetings have occurred: Orange County Mosquito and Vector Control District - January 16 Bridges at Kraemer Place Community Advisory Board - January 22 Orange County Sanitation District - January 22 Orange County Fire Authority - January 23 Orange County Public Library Advisory Board - January 23]

MOVES US TO COUNCIL MEMBER REPORTS AND REMARKS FROM CITY AFFILIATED BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. I WANT TO MENTION PEOPLE MAY NOTICE IN THE AGENDA NOW IT HAS DATES OF THE OUTSIDE BOARDS AND COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT HAVE OCCURRED. SO YOU HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT MEETINGS HAVE OCCURRED. AND IF YOU KNOW WHO'S SERVES ON THOSE BOARDS OR COMMITTEES, THEN YOU KNOW WHO WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE ATTENDED THOSE MEETINGS AND GIVE A REPORT. JUST A SOMETHING WE RECENTLY UPDATED. I WANTED TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO AND THANK YOU TO OUR CITY STAFF FOR INCLUDING THAT. THIS IS AN AGENDA ITEM. ALL RIGHT. WELL, FOR THAT COUNCIL MEMBER LUCAS, CAN YOU START US OFF? SURE. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, ON JANUARY 22ND, I ATTENDED THE ORANGE COUNTY SANITATION DISTRICT MEETING. LOTS GOING ON, AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE, THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY.

IT'S AMAZING THE AMOUNT OF INFRASTRUCTURE THAT ORANGE COUNTY SAND PUTS TOGETHER SO THAT WHEN WE OPEN UP OUR OUR SPIGOTS AND FLUSH OUR TOILETS, IT ALL WORKS WITHOUT FLAW. I ALSO NOT ON THE AGENDA HERE, BUT THE WEEK BEFORE THAT I ATTENDED THE ORANGE COUNTY SANITATION DISTRICTS. ORIENTATION, IF YOU WILL, WHICH I'VE ENJOYED GOING TO FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS BECAUSE I LIKE TO HELP MENTOR SOME OF THE NEW PEOPLE COMING ON BOARD WITH THE SANITATION DISTRICT. AS I'VE MENTIONED BEFORE, AND AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE, IT IS A HEAVY LEARNING

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